This picture is incomplete.
You need another guy on the ledt side, just casually watching as the others fight. That’s Debian.
The poor dude being shoved into the locker is Suse.
The bully is Ubuntu.
Now we need a bigger guy behind the bully, waiting to get his hands on the bully. That will be RedHat.
Arch will be behind RedHat, getting ready to punch him in the face.
Gentoo will be right behind Arch, laughing like a maniac at the carnage unfolding.
And to the far right side of the picture you get to see this underrated guy, just shrugging his shoulders. That’s LFS.
let me paint you a different picture
i’m the one shoving you into a locker.
I was never small enough to fit in one, nor fun enough to be picked on. Plus, I was prone to fight back; I had very little to lose.
Oh yeah?
Well, sudo deez nuts
Alpine linux is already in the
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Debian is the school
Where’s Guix?
Next to Debian, I’d risk.
In the shame corner wearing a dunce cap for copying NixOS without making the language situation any better (like, say, static typing).
I now the principle of nixos and assume guix works kinda the same. Tell me what’s the problem with static typing and nix in general that guix could have improved upon?!
Absence of static typing is what’s wrong with nix.
All Linux are equal…
… But some are more equal than others
“Ewww! Ubuntu!”
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UwUbuntu
EwwbumtEww
I still have a soft spot for Kubuntu, but I had to move to Arch because I wanted my software up-to-date. It really fucking sucks when a new version of something comes out and you have to wait for somebody to get around to updating the repo. Sometimes it would take months.
Opens dirty trenchcoat
“Hey kid, wanna try some Flatpaks?”
Opens dirty trenchcoat
“Hey kid, wanna try some nix/guix packages?”
BTW I use Arch Linux on my desktop. BTW I use Arch Linux on my laptop. BTW I use Debian on my server.
Time to change your username. BTW I use Debian everywhere. Best distro.
Nah that title already holds NixOS
People who use windows are already locked in their lockers
Apple Bois being homeschooled. Still somehow bullied.
Eh, as a homeschooler parent and a household of Linux users, more like Linux are being homeschooled and Apple is a fancy private school for rich folk (and scholarships for the not so well off of course)
fancy school for rich folk
With expensive drugs
But plot twist, the expensive drugs are actually just rebranded cheap drugs with some marginally better quality and the dealers are nicely dressed.
Exactly. Quality may be even worse, but dealers are nicely dressed.
And for most people that’s OK. As I’m OK with buying eggs rather than making them myself in my garden with my own chickens, even if it would be better and I would have more control over it…
most linux distros are easier to install and use then windows (think Ubuntu or Mint, as long as you don’t rely on stuff like ms office or photoshop, which don’t work that well)
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Sad to hear! If you’re truly willing to move to Linux, you could run either in a VM on the other OS, and use Linux for personal stuff, leaving Windows for MS-only apps
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I thought about your comment. My conclusion: a Linux laptop doesn’t need as much space as a normal sized chicken. It’s cleaner too.
Can’t argue with that.
And most a fine with it…
Yes. But my version of Linux is better then your version. And that makes you a chump.
Cinnamon, mint, cocoa
Gosh there are a lot of food based Linux builds…
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Well I can see which one you’d be in the meme.
Gnome. Mmm, gnome, straight off the barbecue. The crispy hat tip is my favourite part.
Watch your backs, the FoSSHoles are out to getcha.
I wanna use Linux, but gaming is stopping me.
It depends on the game, but Steam proton is pretty good.
This site is incredibly helpful.
This, I did not know about, I see that for honor is definitely compatible, so it’s looking like it might work out.
The state of gaming on Linux isn’t perfect, but it is very, very good right now. The best it has ever been by far. The Steam Deck uses Linux, and Valve has their people dumping new features upstream into Linux for everyone to use.
Isn’t even the steam deck Linux nowadays?
It is, and there are still some games that are borked, but most are quite good.
This site is great for finding out what games work. https://www.protondb.com/
Yeah it’s skinned Arch Linux
Well, with an immutable filesystem and a customized kernel and mesa stack with backports from newer versions… so, really just an Arch-based distro in its own right
I…don’t know. I wanna say it is, but like a special proprietary version or something. I really got nothing here.
It’s just Arch Linux with the Steam UI and some extra packages pre-installed.
It definitely feels like they made a lot of additional little tweaks to KDE to make it work better with the display and built-in controls.
That might just be tweaking default settings, KDE is ridiculously flexible. They definitely didn’t dig very deep into it or gamescope wouldn’t be a thing.
One solution is just to stop gaming and start playing around with computers for fun.
Gaming is what got me into playing around with computers for fun.
Same. My mom refused to buy me a console, so I got creative with finding free games, then mods, then roms, then reading the Dolphin dev blog and trying to decypher it, and now I’m a senior software engineer
Wanna hook a lemmy up? Got my BS in CS (CompSci), but looking for work. Jkjk
YES! Someone else fcking gets it!
Por que no los dos
Why is this getting down voted??
Probably because gaming on Linux is in very good state right now. If you’re a casual OS user I still wouldn’t recommend it but if you know what you do, you’ll barely need Windows.
Any kind of productivity is stopping me.
This dude must only know how to click on shit
Adobe Suite?
Affinity Suite?
Proton Drive?
Editing in Davinci? (free version of DaVinci Resolve on Linux cannot playback any H.264 or H.265 video, and the free and paid version cannot playback AAC audio on Linux…)
You know, anything productive?
I’ve not used any of that software, I guess I’ve never been productive in my life
“I dont use that, so this guy doesn’t know how to work computers”.
You guys are insufferable. Enjoy your Linux. Love seeing you guys bitch on every software launch for a Linux release lmao.
Oh, I wasn’t even attacking you, just making a goofy comment. I guess you’re just a little sensitive?
You’re the one who showed up to bitch and got clobbered with downvotes. Enjoy photo editing on windows, we all know you can’t do that on any other operating system “productively” 😂
I am not bitching about downvotes. I do not care.
Enjoy editing in Gimp and Kdenlive lmao.
Love seeing you guys bitch on every software launch for a Linux release lmao.
Yeah, no. I don’t want any Windows software. Everything I use is free/open source.
Are you implying software can’t be released for Windows/Mac only, and be FOSS? 💀
Davinci Resolve
Use Kdenlive
Adobe
I don’t use them but according to winehq it somewhat runs well.
Affinity
Well yeah… I used Designer and Publisher extensively when I still used Windows. I asked and begged them to consider a linux version but they didn’t saw the marketplace. Guess we Linux users aren’t productive enough. So instead we have to resort to Inkscape and Krita.
Proton drive
Well fuck them for not considering making a filesystem driver for every OS. Especially THE OS most associated with servers and privacy minded users.
Perhaps migrate to a more open cloud provider like Nextcloud?
Kdenlive isn’t a replacement for Davinci or Premiere, sorry.
I rely on either Affinity Designer or Adobe Illustrator to run my business. Inkscape and Krita are not capable of professional work.
I pay for Proton, so I am not going to say fuck it because they, like most companies, don’t look at Linux Desktop as a real OS. Sorry.
Inkscape and Krita are not capable of professional work.
How so?
They lack the features and tools.
don’t look at Linux Desktop as a real OS
Linux runs like 90% of the world’s servers. You can’t even get half of Microsoft’s shitty software on AWS. Not to mention that development outside of C# (even that’s a pain in the ass to deploy) on Windows is an exercise in BDSM.
But sure buddy, whatever you have to tell yourself to sleep at night. I’m sure you’re making 10x more money than the rest of us as a (checks notes) photo and video editor 🙄
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I said desktop. You literally quoted it.
Linux server and Linux desktop aren’t the same thing.
Why not? Because the tools are different?
Imagine that, that different tools have different workflows. How utterly awful.
And you are not sorry at all.
But hey you like windows, being vendor locked in, getting spied upon, having to deal with shitty decisions and bloat. That’s your prerogative. We don’t.
What’s your professional business anyway?
Are you really that dense? Different tools don’t equal different workflows. It means some things aren’t possible on kdenlive that people need to use in their professional work.
That’s like saying paint is a replacement for Photoshop. Enjoy trying to professionally edit photos with paint.
But hey, you like Linux, trying to troubleshoot why your graphics card doesn’t work, begging companies to release a Linux version of software, trying to hunt around for hardware that supports your Linux distribution.
The proton drive issue will be fixed. It’s still early beta really. Shame but proton always come good.
Glad to hear that.
Depends on the task. It is much better for ml, ai, scientific computing and high performance computing in general, developers…
But I use libreoffice only for cover letters and cvs.
If excel is needed, Linux is a problem
Is libre office calc not compatible with excel?
It is partially. But if someone uses excel professionally their requirements are pretty high. Tbf, I don’t know the details because I never use it, but calc is behind excel for professional use as far as I understand
Just finished setting up IIS, boss!
I don’t really do much of anything OTHER than gaming, so that wouldn’t be an issue for me. Sorry for you tho bro
What a wasted life.
I use Linux for work. Windows for entertainment.
Ironically I work in Linux and use Windows and the os to do it. I deploy lots of container Linux from a work provided windows laptop.
And I use Linux at home playing windows games through wine/proton.
So you have like a dual boot on the same computer or different computers?
Different computers. My work provide me a dedicated work computer. My work doesn’t really care which OS I’m using on their computer. Only that I’m doing the job, and I’m most productive on Linux.
But if I for some reason had only one computer I would probably dual boot to keep my work and personal life separate.
Lucky duck. My work got me a Macbook even though I requested a cheaper Linux dev machine.
If the choice was between Mac vs Windows I would probably go with Mac, as it’s Unix based.
In a previous job I had to use Windows. I think it’s tolerable at best. Thankfully WSL along with the new Windows terminal is pretty good these days. I don’t miss the days when MSYS was the only Linux-like option for windows.
Used to be stuck on Windows, before WSL made it in most corporate deployments. The only way I kept some level of sanity was by totally foregoing working on Windows itself, and I just worked off a VM.
Holy shit. When was WSL released?
Honestly, for a work machine, I may just take macOS over Linux given the choice. Maybe I was just unlucky, but I’ve yet to get a work-provided machine that didn’t have something that doesn’t quite work correctly on Linux, or they’ll limit which distro I can use because of some compatibility issue with their mandatory security software, or whatever other BS.
I use two separate harddisks. It’s the easiest and cleanest option
I wanna use Linux, but last time I tried I had so many issues that it made it almost impossible to be productive. There are so many possible variations of a setup that trying to find answers either resulted in incorrect or just downright combative responses
or just downright combative responses
My favourite things Linsuxs users say;
“You don’t even need to use the terminal anymore!”
someone asks for help
“here’s a terminal command, idiot. Go back to windows, idiot.”
or
“Linus from LTT is so stupid for running a random terminal command from the internet, borking his install. Anyway, here’s a terminal command, idiot. If you want the GUI instructions, go back to Windoze!1!”
or
“You can run that on Linux. Just download these 50 dependencies, run this custom script, modify WINE, and then it only crashes every 3 minutes!”
Like nah, I will stick to clicking a .exe and having it up and running in 5 seconds with no crashing, thanks.
Or the one I got a lot: “why did you chose that distro? You need to be using [completely different distro each time]”
Yeah, that is definitely an onboarding issue. Everyone has their preferences, and normally feel quite strongly their favourite distro is the best one.
I think most people would agree that Pop_OS and Linux mint are currently the most newb friendly distros out there.
I tried using mint and had a horrible time. I never tried pop OS, maybe next time I have the heart to try linux again I’ll go with that, or whatever the equivalent flavour of the month will be at that time.
Sorry to hear that. I’m on Ubuntu mainly out of inertia and laziness. I’ve heard good things about pop, so hopefully it works out for you if/when you decide to give it another shot.
Literally a post from the last few hours in one of the Linux communities asking which distro to use because Pop isn’t working with their Nvidia card properly. Comments are full of different recommendations, despite Pop being one of the OSes that is set up for gaming.
Linux is a mess, and the community isn’t helpful.
That’s unfortunate. Nvidia can be problematic with Linux (obligatory video).
An important distinction to remember is that with a few rare exceptions, Linux distros are not for profit ventures, and the users helping are not being paid to do so. Some individuals trying to help may have more or less knowledge and experience, but they are trying. I’m willing to forgive rough edges from non-profit foundations more than for-profit companies, personally.
I understand that’s little consolation for somebody who has an issue right now and needs it solved right now, but as the noose of profit models tighten, I hope people have a little more patience for volunteers trying their best.
Are you a programmer?
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I could play Witchfire on day one, an early access game on the Epic Game Store, so probably the only games you cant play now are the online ones, but there are some you can.
I started gaming after I switched to Linux, so all of my gaming is Linux-based. It helps that I use emulators for everything, and Linux has excellent emulators. When I built my new computer and discovered I could emulate a Switch at a playable speed, it floored me.
But but but Wine Is Not an Emulator
I don’t use Wine.
It’s a (bad) joke 🙂
Even games that work natively on Linux just don’t look as good because of the difference between OpenGL and DirectX.
I’m replaying Metro Last Light (not Redux) on a new PC with dual boot and I’m just playing it from Windows, even when the game (has) native Linux support.
To get the best grahpics I probably could run the Windows version from WINE as I already got Steam to work with it, but AMD’s GPU drivers are unstable on Linux and I couldn’t get the Mesa video drivers to support my MOBO’s integrated video output that I’m currently using for one of my displays.
I usually complicate things while tinkering to get something working in a specific way, but other times I just don’t feel like it.
I have an RT7900 XTX and I just want to get the best possible graphics with it.
This comment seems a bit strange to me for a few reasons. The Linux ecosystem has changed and improved drastically in the last few years, and a lot of this reads like it was written a decade ago.
AMD drivers have been rock steady for quite a few years now. The catch is that unless you’re doing some exotic thing (not general-purpose gaming) you should not be installing anything extra. People used to downloading drivers for everything tend to make the mistake of hunting down and downloading the Radeon proprietary drivers when those are not needed, and in some cases actively make things worse. I suspect this is the case because you mentioned Mesa when talking about the integrated graphics card, but not the dedicated one. If I’m right about that, uninstall Radeon and let Mesa handle it with the AMDGPU open source drivers built into your kernel.
Unfortunately, dual GPU setups are still very painful and annoying to set up and use. That is still an active pain point in the ecosystem. DRI_PRIME is still the best solution for this afaik, but it isn’t exactly an elegant one.
Steam comes with Proton built in (their own fork of WINE with a lot of improvements), WINE & Proton have made gigantic leaps forward with the backing of Valve, and pretty much everything gaming related has moved from OpenGL to Vulkan. Anything run in Proton, for example, is going to be using Vulkan, not OpenGL
Checking out Metro’s protondb page, yeah, seems like the consensus is that the devs did a shit job with their port. I’d recommend right-clicking the game in Steam, go to properties, compatibility, and enable Proton there.
I started with the proprietary drivers. I mentioned on Lemmy how “crashy” they were and someone recommended the Mesa drivers as they had good performance and stability.
When I tried to install the Mesa drivers, I completely removed AMD’s proprietary drivers first. I got the Mesa drivers to work apparently, but the mouse cursor was only visible on the integrated graphics display, kind of a common issue. After some troubleshooting I finally got the mouse cursor to show on the decicated GPU displays, but then I had no output on the other display. If I got myself a Display Port to VGA adapter I could quit using the dedicated video port, but at the time I don’t have one.
I know about proton. The original L4D runs quite well on Linux and required zero extra set up. However, I was quite disappointed when I tried the original Metro 2033 (not Redux either) with Proton, as it looked quite worse on Linux than on Windows.
Based on what you say, running Last Light with Proton could be interesting, tho.
I know this probably isn’t what you want to hear, but imho without knowing in detail all the changes you tried to make and the fixes you wanted to apply, the most effective method to fix these issues might be doing a full reinstall and starting again.
Even nuking the system won’t guarantee that I don’t have the same issue with the mouse cursor and the onboad graphics display while using Mesa drivers.
I’d rather simply get the DP-VGA adapter in a future and then try with Mesa.
What OS are you using? Which distribution / version?
Ubuntu 23.04
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OP is why paired programming failed. The one that did all the work received 100% of the swirlies.
Fuck that guy, he’s the reason flatpacks exist
The varsity jacket should have “read the wiki” embroidered onto it
Would you mind uploading the template to !maimaivorlagen@discuss.tchncs.de?
Left guy are edge users on linux
Noo. I use it for bing AI I swear
You can spoof the user agent to edge using a Firefox extension in order to use Bing AI. The functionality is mostly the same except for being unable to access a previous chat and lack of web page context search.
