Grusch claimed early on that he had tried to reach out to
AAROspecifically Kirkpatrick, before AARO existed, for years before the whistleblower hotline came available. He also claims he tried repeatedly leading up to his tapping the hotline, and he was routinely ignored. This unfortunately tracks withAARO’s public faceKirkpatrick; they have expressed more than once that they do not follow up on the majority of tips they receive as they discount them as “not credible.”It’s his word against Kirkpatrick, in this case, and Kirkpatrick has not shown a great deal of willing, or even interest, in this regard.
EDIT: Since this is a repost on this new instance, I’m reposting this comment. Also, in the other instance, someone pointed out some flaws in my remembering, and I have amended them here. AARO didn’t exist at the time Grusch claims he was reaching out to Kirkpatrick.
I think it’s also important to note the specific words used by Dr. Kirkpatrick, AARO, Susan Gough, and others. They are extremely careful about their choice of words and how they convey their message. I’m using Susan Gough as a specific example due to her choice of attributing knowledge (or lack thereof) about these programs to AARO rather than the Pentagon. She also prefers terms like ‘extraterrestrial’ or ‘alien’ over ‘Non-Human Intelligence,’ which Mr. Grusch has used.
It appears to me that they are cautious with their statements, striving to avoid outright falsehoods while still withholding full disclosure. You can interpret this as you wish.
Edit: I would also like to highlight that, if we are to believe Ross Coulthart and other journalists, many whistleblowers are refusing to liaise with AARO due to a lack of trust. Therefore, when Dr. Kirkpatrick asserts that he hasn’t been made aware of certain allegations, he may not be lying. However, David Grusch has repeatedly stated that he provided Dr. Kirkpatrick with all the information he had given to the Inspector General.
Is that true? Didn’t Grunsch say he worked for AARO? Who is lying?
I was my agency’s co-lead in Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP) and trans- medium object analysis, as well as reporting to UAP Task Force (UAPTF) and eventually the All- Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO).
This is taken from his opening statement at the hearing.
I agree with you, there appears to be a disagreement on facts between the two parties.
Could it be that he was only “reporting to” AARO like UAPTF? Also, we’re there others that said they “worked for AARO” as he says they “stated”?
I’m not entirely sure. I recall him giving a specific job title for UAPTF. I don’t recall a specific job title for AARO. I would need to go back and listen.
Thanks. I’m only starting to get into this in earnest so I’m trying to get my facts straight.
Not a problem. This may be one of the most challenging topics from which to reliably extract facts or determine the truth. I believe that’s part of its allure. Regardless of how you approach it, it’s a massive story.
I believe that’s part of its allure.
For sure. The entire field of UFO reporting as a cultural phenomenon–and really all of cryptography including bigfoot and ghosts–is one that exists in the gray areas. As soon as we have clear photos or facts one way or another, the discussion and fun is over because the conclusion is obvious (so far only in favor of one side).
We’ve seen this play out before with other topics many times, but science eventually answered those definitively so there’s no sizable community left to discuss them anymore.
That pretty much sums up my position on this matter and how I envision the future of this community. There are essentially two options.
- We obtain evidence that proves this is prosaic. As a result, this community will likely fizzle out.
- We obtain evidence that proves the existence of Non-Human Intelligence. As a result, this community grows because many more questions will need answering.
