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Iran informed the US that it would refrain from responding to the airstrike in which senior Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) commanders were killed in Damascus if a ceasefire in Gaza is reached, Jadeh Iran reported on Sunday.
The news outlet cited an anonymous Arab diplomatic source, saying the source spoke to the news outlet two days ago. The source added that “If America succeeds in containing the situation, it will be a great success for the Biden administration and we can build on that.”
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There are countless good reasons for a ceasefire in Gaza. None for otherwise.
None for otherwise.
A ceasefire may allow Hamas to regroup and survive, which would be a bad thing. Then again, from my couch it seems like IDF is not about to destroy Hamas completely with this war.
You know what would be a bad thing? Letting Israel government and their IDF have their way and keep murdering more and more innocent people. A ceasefire is definitely needed.
They (Israel government) currently have murdered around 33 000 – 35 000 Palestinian people already. Hamas is a literal creation by Israel, Israel has done so much horrifying things from 1948 up to 1987 that a group of normal people made Hamas and become violent.
Want Hamas to stop existing? Then let Israel stop their ethnic cleansing, genocide and at least give half of the land back (that was and stays Palestinian land).
An occupier cannot become its owner.
35k known dead. Expect 2-5x once they clear the rubble and can take actual tallies.
Hamas is bigger than ever right now. This was foretold 6 months ago before israel started slaughtering civilians. It is reality now
The only way for this not to be the case so far has been to murder thousands of children.
Call me old fashioned but maybe we should take the chance and not murder innocent children.
Interesting move by Iran if true.
Well the ball is in biden’s court
Does Biden have the power to stop supporting the war? Like will any action be null and void due to the USA political structure or does he in fact have some sort of power that can stop all support by a stroke of the pen?
Yes Biden can stop it with one phone call. All he has to do is admit Israel is committing war crimes and it becomes illegal for the US to supply them with weapons.
The US can stop all arms selling this instant and it wouldn’t change a thing. Israel already has enough weapons now to wipe out the whole region.
They do not that is a fairy tale. Israel is incredibly weak without American bombs. they will run out in weeks.
“Munitions, munitions, and munitions”: Israel’s Netanyahu wants steady supply of more U.S. bombs
“We need three things from the US: munitions, munitions, and munitions,” Netanyahu said during a meeting with local government officials, per a recording obtained by the Israel Hayom newspaper, which Doha News could not verify, and quoted by the Financial Times.
One statement by a politician does not facts make. Lemmy users have a boner for quote sniping to make arguments. I promise you Israel has enough capital to just go down to the next shop and buy what they need. And this is coming from someone that is disgusted with the IDF. Do not attribute to me a position I do not hold. I hope you’re right, Linkerbaan, but everything else I’ve heard has told me otherwise.
Israel has bought enough weapons to make the whole region into glass:
https://lemmy.world/comment/9198378
You don’t agree? Show me where I’m mistaken. I don’t like this fact either, but it’s a fact. It sucks. It’s awful. But it’s reality. If you want to have a conversation, start with reality. Or downvote. That works too.
Y’all need to work on your research and media literacy. The information is out there.
Stockpile nuclear warheads: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Israel#:~:text=Estimates of Israel’s stockpile range,to intercontinental range ballistic missiles.
Germany is the next exporter of arms to Israel, so if all US sales stopped tomorrow you’d have to bring the next countries on board:https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/rights-lawyers-go-court-stop-german-arms-deliveries-israel-2024-04-05/#:~:text=Last year%2C Germany approved arms,according to Economy Ministry data.
These purchases have already occured: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-03/drt-us-weapons-to-israel/103653536
Iran has enough conventional bombs to flatten Israel as well and there’s nothing Israel can do to stop it. Launching nukes is beyond stupid.
Germany certainly isn’t able to supply Israel with F35 parts and bombs if America blocks it.
Linkerbaan,
Yo do this a lot but I don’t think it’s intentional. You play these word games of seeing the forest for the trees because you’re so entrenched in your position nothing will change your mind (or maybe it’s a language thing? Is English a 2nd language? I mean this candidly and not intended to offend). Here is an example:
I say something like “there on the hill are some trees.”
and you go: "No, that’s a forest. "
Then I say: “Yes, but there are trees in the forest.”
And then you reply: “Nop. It’s a forest”.
What exactly is being discussed here? does Israel have enough artillery to defend itself against ww3 or does it have enough artillery to wipe out Gaza and turn the whole peninsula into glass? Can you repeat back my initial point?
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He can stop the weapon supply which would slow Israel.
I support Israel but it’s time to wrap this up. This has gone on to long.
You support genocide?
Love you some settler-colonial apartheid do ya?
Could he though? I’m legit asking, because I feel like the senate could prevent him from stopping all aid?
Regardless the only person that can make the cease fire happen is Netanyahu.
Yes, that’s why the democrats are asking him to do it.
Shame on Iran for using the Palestinians as a pawn once again.
What? They are using their leverage to save the Palestinians.
The issue is about Iran promising retaliation, something Israel had in their calculations long before executing the strike on Iran in Damascus.
Israel has historically shown that they are more than capable of striking targets inside Iran. Iran knows exactly this and this is the reason for them using the Palestinians as a shield to avoid an escalation.
Ask yourself, was the offer time limited? If not, then there is actually nothing stopping the suffering of the Palestinian people in the “offer” from Iran.
So, what aces up the sleeve does Iran have here? What leverage do you speak of?
Iran is now “using Palestinians as a human shields”? What am I even reading here? Israel is trying to escalate their Genocide to a regional war.
Iran is trying to stop israel committing Genocide and not start World War 3. A very peaceful and responsible response to israel bombing the Iranian embassy.
If you believe that Iran doesn’t have the means to attack Israel you’re a tad short on info. We have already seen the Iron Dome is a massive failure against mass missile attacks, even Hamas owned it with pipe rockets. And Iran has far more than that.
Ok, you avoided my question so let me ask again: What is the leverage Iran has that you speak of?
Israel has committed a terror attack on the Iranian embassy which is a massive violation of international law. Iran has the right to defend itself which is the leverage.
However Iran is generously presenting an option where instead of a war with massive casualties, there will be no casualties and the Genocide stops. A win win for everyone except the Genocidal Nazis in israel.
Excellent point. In our struggle against Iran it is very important to deny them this tactic. Which is why Israel should immediately stop massacring, occupying, oppressing, and ethnically cleansing the Palestinians. A free independent Palestine will definitely strip Iran of a lot of leverage in the region. To politically destroy and defeat the Iranian regime, let us all unite in proclaiming Free Palestine!
rolling over and asking to be scratched like a good dog… all thanks to Joe Biden…
It’s just a shame it took him six months, and only then because of the very real threat of him losing in November
that’s how an ignorant, selfish ass sees it… that’s how a little baby sees it…
So we are just accepting that Biden could have stopped this months ago and decided to keep being against it so much that we had to drag him to this point?
Fuck that!
Just like the people who seem to think that we should just forgive Israel for everything they have done just because they finally fucked up so bad.
Never forget that they could have stopped this earlier and they didn’t
they could have washed my fucking car, too
Exactly! So if they decide to remember that they could have earlier and chose not to!
Only one had bigger stakes than the other, you have a dirty car because of him, 30,000 people don’t have lives because of him
no i know you would have done it all differently and with absolutely no cost to anyone… good job buddy…
OK, you have fun with your excuses
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Super great for Iran if this happens, super awful for the hostages being raped to death in Gaza.
One, there’s been no proof of rape happening by them (although there’s probably some sexual assault and harassment, which is obviously terrible. I condemn Hamas, etc.). Two, you think they have a higher chance of getting the hostages back if they continue this indiscriminate bombing campaign over actual negotiation? There’s a reason families of the hostages have been protesting Netanyahu. He doesn’t give a shit about the hostages. He’d rather they all die than have an extended ceasefire.
Iranian diplomacy operates along the lines of a Jinn. Every move feels like a Faustian bargain. You ask the Jinn for a giant penis and it gives you a giant penis attached to your head, then disappears in a puff of smoke.
Like that time they had a nuclear deal with America and then Trump ripped it up?
The Americans are the sinister and mendacious psychopaths of international diplomacy. It’s much less nuanced and not very interesting.
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Out of mere curiosity I checked your comment history and well was not surprised to be honest.
- Making things immediately personal.
- Claims without actual evidence (the Hamas rape comments)
- Calling people ‘‘deranged’’
It’s clear as day you are at least a Israel supporter, I won’t be surprised if you’re a Zionist. I’m always curious why Israel supporters always makes things immediately personal, claims things without clear evidence and insults.
There’s plenty of misinformation perpetrated by both sides. Singling out the Zionists isn’t giving much. That being said, we need to push our discourse to start from factual positions. I bet 99% people on social media only skim headlines and have no idea what the articles discuss or the factual matters of what they are talking about.
Singling out the Zionists isn’t giving much
Singling out Zionists definitely has a purpose because this way you know, they speak with obvious bias and a dislike towards Arabs and especially Palestinians. You cannot take Zionists words serious at all. For example; this particular person made a huge claim about Hamas but zero evidence (no trustable source) and when you just check their post history, it gets even more ridiculous. The person claims that ‘‘half of Lemmy are antisemite’’.
Here’s proof of that claim, of his: his particular claim
Finding the Zionist also helps to understand that there’s no reasoning with said person.
There’s plenty of misinformation perpetrated by both sides
It’s unfortunately true that there’s a lot of misinformation on both sides, wish there was not but is what it is. I suppose.
That being said, we need to push our discourse to start from factual positions. I bet 99% people on social media only skim headlines and have no idea what the articles discuss or the factual matters of what they are talking about.
I cannot speak for other people on social media but, I have been doing lots of research about the entire thing. Articles, books, podcasts and research into the past. I always write with facts when it comes to Israel-Hamas/ Palestinians, I also back it up with evidence such as sources from trustable sources (articles, books and newspapers).
EDIT: Done some edits because Lemmy somehow messed up the formatting. Should be good now.
we need to push our discourse to start from factual positions. I bet 99% people on social media only skim headlines
The irony 🤦
Viking, this is hilarious coming from you. Not once have I seen your comments backed by sources. But maybe one day we’ll see some of the grounding for your justified beliefs.
Not once have I seen your comments backed by sources
You haven’t checked very thoroughly, then, as I often provide sources, always when asked to. Give me an example and I’ll supply a source.
But maybe one day we’ll see some of the grounding for your justified beliefs.
How about you provide a source for the ridiculous percentage I quoted you throwing out? Other than your ass, of course.
Viking, ive seen you around and I’m not going to block you. This community is already tiny. If I ever post a claim without any backing --apart from the one above which is obviously hyperbole-- I invite you to call me out. I don’t ever want to be an agent of misinformation. But let’s have a factual discussion when that happens ok ? 🥺🙂
Well allow me to comply with your request, then:
The US can stop all arms selling this instant and it wouldn’t change a thing
Is categorically and ridiculously false.
Not only are the vast majority of the bombs that they’re dropping American made, they’re also receiving tens of billions in monetary aid from the US.
As for the next biggest supplier, Germany, they send an annual total if $300m to Israel, only $20m of which are offensive weapons. Contrast that with the US’ annual total of $3.8b, most of which are offensive weapons and you can’t in good faith argue that the US halting shipments wouldn’t have a significant impact.
And that’s not even considering the fact that many countries, likely including Germany are at the very least partly supporting Israel out of fear of angering the US, which could result in dire consequences.
If the US washed its hands of the genocidal apartheid regime, you would definitely see many other countries follow their lead.
