So the second Boeing whistleblower dead in such a short time?
Letting people know what happens when their money is touched. Fuck
I wouldn’t doubt the psychopathy of Boeings leadership — their execs and management have already murdered hundreds of people, and dozens of them should be serving life in prison — but dying of MRSA after 2 weeks of pneumonia sure sounds like a legitimate coincidence. The first whistleblowers death not so much.
Why do you think this? Is it that you believe that it’s not possible that someone would be able to give someone a pneumonia+MRSA case?
Or are you in the camp that doesn’t believe anyone with a financial interest in Boeing would be willing to have someone killed to suppress future whistle blowers?
E: sorry, it sounds like you do believe the first one was a murder
When you fuck as much stiff as Boeing has you are going to get a lot of whistle blowers, statistically some of them will die, it would be suspicious if none of them died.
Being whistleblower and being involved in such legal proceedings sucks and I can imagine that one might give up (like Barnett in March) or that it takes a huge toll on your body (like Dean now). But then again … two such incidents around the same company … reminds me a bit too much of russian windows.
It would be a shame if that 777 window was to…break.
Holy shit.
Paywall:
Joshua Dean, a former quality auditor at Boeing supplier Spirit AeroSystems and one of the first whistleblowers to allege Spirit leadership had ignored manufacturing defects on the 737 MAX, died Tuesday morning after a struggle with a sudden, fast-spreading infection.
Known as Josh, Dean lived in Wichita, Kan., where Spirit is based. He was 45, had been in good health and was noted for having a healthy lifestyle.
He died after two weeks in critical condition, his aunt Carol Parsons said.
Spirit spokesperson Joe Buccino said: “Our thoughts are with Josh Dean’s family. This sudden loss is stunning news here and for his loved ones.”
Dean had given a deposition in a Spirit shareholder lawsuit and also filed a complaint with the Federal Aviation Administration alleging “serious and gross misconduct by senior quality management of the 737 production line” at Spirit.
Spirit fired Dean in April 2023, and he had filed a complaint with the Department of Labor alleging his termination was in retaliation for raising concerns related to aviation safety.
Parsons said Dean became ill and went to the hospital because he was having trouble breathing just over two weeks ago. He was intubated and developed pneumonia and then a serious bacterial infection, MRSA.
His condition deteriorated rapidly, and he was airlifted from Wichita to a hospital in Oklahoma City, Parsons said. There he was put on an ECMO machine, which circulates and oxygenates a patient’s blood outside the body, taking over heart and lung function when a patient’s organs don’t work on their own.
His mother posted a message Friday on Facebook relating all those details and saying that Dean was “fighting for his life.”
I had MRSA once, it’s so easy to spread and there is zero doubt in my mind that it could be weaponized. Criminal investigations are necessary after TWO whistleblowers are offed. I’m not holding my breath though. Boeing is too entrenched in the MIP to be investigated in any real sense of the word.
Pneumonia isn’t.
The guy just got pneumonia and then caught a secondary. This happens all the time.
Jesus. Why can’t they make whistle blowers anonymous?
Edit: Why should I trust an anonymous source?
Explanation to my doubt:
In computer science, wouldn’t that be like proprietary software only being auditable by cherry picked 3rd parties? In this case I should also need to trust the auditor.
In contrast, in FOSS software, all code is open to the public and can be audited publicly.
Edit2: I value privacy, that’s why I use Linux and Librewolf. I just don’t understand how that translate to this case.
As I now understand how my original post was conveying a different message from what I intended to ask, I copy it below:
Would you trust an anonymous source ?
Downvotes to an honest question. I should take a break from internet.
I don’t care who it is, they give the information, then authorities verify it. If it comes up verified, there you go.
This is how you end up with police making up an “anonymous tip” which allows them to gain a warrant and dig through the personal possessions of anyone they don’t like.
The problem isn’t solve with anonymity, but by actually protecting the whistle blowers.
The authorities should be able to dig through the possessions of massive companies that are fucking up so bad that planes fall out of the sky.
Sometimes you can’t verify things though
Then it still doesn’t matter. If an identified source gives information that isn’t verifiable, it’s still not actionable.
Look! Another Boeing fell from the sky!
-verified
another boeing went boing boing
… there’s an awful song in there somewhere
cmon honky what are we talking about, what is the current subject
that’s right, they killed the guy who could verify the stuff
like fn work with us here, geez ;)
Would you trust an anonymous source ?
In cases like this where anonymity is likely necessary to divulge crucial information and survive? Absolutely. You sound like you have no idea how journalism in general and confidential sources in particular works.
Downvotes to an honest question
Honest question, my ass! It was obviously a rhetorical question meant to imply that anonymous sources are inherently not trustworthy.
Honest question, my ass! It was obviously a rhetorical question meant to imply that anonymous sources are inherently not trustworthy
This made me realize the message I was transmitting. I edited my post in hope I can better express my question. Sorry for writing like a moron.
Its not, but you know your comment reads like corporate shilling yeah?
How? I’m literally arguing that anonymous whistleblowers aren’t inherently untrustworthy. That’s the OPPOSITE of what corporate shills keep saying!
I replied to the wrong comment but if it helps my case at all, I’m self diagnosed as retarded.
This isn’t an allegation floating in the ether. Specific allegations can be investigated, usually pretty objectively.
I’d say we could trust the police to verify but yeah… I’d trust an anon source verified by AP more than the local police in most areas by a fucking mile.
A lot of people believe everything they read on Facebook so…
Downvotes to an honest question. I should take a break from internet.
Complaining about internet numbers? That’s a downvote.
Downvotes take content to the bottom, diminishing it’s relevancy. It’s not egotistical. I had a question that I wanted to ask in order to learn. Later I learned that my question was conveying the wrong message, so I edited my post to better communicate my doubt. You may interpret that internet points equal ego points, but they are in fact relevancy points. In this case in particular, asking about anonimity and trust, is as on-topic as it can get, so I do question the reason for less relevancy to my question now. But I acknowledge the reason for less relevancy in my original post, as it was being interpreted as I wasn’t asking a question but conveying an opinion.
Edit: healthy discussion is what Lemmy is all about. Downvoting an honest question is hindering that principle.
And all of that would still be true without the “woe is me” addendum to your post.
Found the ego
Obviously it depends on the quality of the information, doesn’t it
like if it’s some rando just bullshitting, that’s gonna be obvious
if he’s dropping insider secrets or sounding authoritative, that requires investigation
but we’re a bit past all that right
Like you are aware of the wider context of what often happens to whistleblowers, time and again, … like you’re not just in here shooting your mouth off right, you know something about it when you deign to ask such a glib question? Or have you done none of your homework and just wanted to bless us with the annoying noise you made?
How else would they be able to intimidate them?
Mafia shit confirmed
Yeah Boeing out there giving people pneumonia and then a MRSA secondary infection. Couldn’t have happened naturally that’s unheard of! Nobody has ever had complications after pneumonia so young.
Honestly, not that hard.
Easier than building a new modern airplane, as Boing Boing has shown.
Edit: I’m keeping that typo lol
Your typo took me way back. There was a game called “Wall Street Kid” for the NES where you could “invest” in companies in the stock market, with the hopes to make it big. Many of the companies in it were a play on words of real-world companies. Boeing’s was “Boing Boing”. Thanks for the nostalgia today, though I wish it would have arrived on a more optimistic post.
Yeah people in Russia are always just fallin’ out of windows too - silly people!
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go away moron
Boeing is an important part of our military industrial base and thus an important part of the broader structure of US power.
That’s why they’re allowed to kill whistleblowers without repercussion.
Holy shit they did it again FUCK
Well at least the quality control in their bio-weaponry division is still there.
died after a sudden illness
How sudden? ~900ft/s or so?
I, for one, will make sure I never step foot in a Boeing commercial airplane, and I will tell the tale about how Boeing kills whistle blowers to my kid’s kid’s kids
Hopefully you’ll never be asked to fly for work then.
Y’know there’s actually myriad industries that completely lack compulsory air travel, believe it or not.
And?
Boeing is run by an actual psycho.
Apart of that definition being outdated: Which major CEO isn’t? It’s more like a basic requirement for the job :-(
Capitalism rewards psychopathy
It rewards the whole dark triad of personality traits. And it sickens me to the core.
Modern commercial success requires that one thinks of people as things. Things that produce labour or things that produce revenue.
The easier it is for one to think of people as things the better executive one makes.
Naturally thinking of people as things is psychopathy
What a truly odd “coincidence” huh
Y’all fall for click bait so fucking easily it’s embarrassing.
The only reason this is reported on at all is that conspiracy theorists will see connections in anything.
People get sick and die all the time.
MRSA killed 100k people in 2019 alone. It’s hard as hell to clean up and people catch it easily.
He had trouble breathing so he went to the hospital (probably COVID) and got intubated. MRSA from an intubation is unfortunately normal. It’s a major risk to be intubated.
Hi! I’m a microbiologist and you have some facts either without useful context or that are just incorrect.
MRSA is methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus. The methicillin resistance is notable as it shows a resistance to beta-lactam antibiotics, which constitutes a large portion of antibiotics in use in medicine.
MRSA is “easy to catch” in that it lives harmlessly on the skin of about 2% of the global population, but MRSA bacteremia, a pathogenic MRSA infection, is actually pretty uncommon, at around 400,000 people a year worldwide, of which around 100k people die. That’s nothing. The common cold, the influenza viruses, infect an estimated over 1 billion people annually and kill an estimated 400,000, and they’re pretty mild but they’re rather infectious.
MRSA is typically easy to treat - that’s why about 75% of patients live - with the remainder either having an infection in an unfortunate location, like the blood, immune deficiency, a strain of MRSA that happens to not be susceptible to available antibiotics, or just a lack of prompt treatment.
On the conspiracy bullshit part, I could absolutely give someone MRSA pneumonia, a particularly fatal form of both MRSA infections and pneumonia in general. What could be telling is determining his initial infection. If it was MRSA, sequencing that particular infection (or at least looking for the presence of notable genes using rtPCR) to determine its likely origin could be insightful. Without knowing the identity of his primary infection, though, we’re left at guessing.
What IS interesting is that both Boeing whistleblowers have died from relatively uncommon causes, suicide and pneumonia in a healthy individual, in rapid succession. That’s one hell of a coincidence.
Fuck Boeing.
“healthy” when he went to the hospital for breathing issues before getting pneumonia.
Man had COVID. He was immunocompromised and got MRSA in his blood from intubation. This isn’t unheard of insanity: intubation is a risky maneuver because it kills people like this all the time.
When your response requires you to quote information out of context and to fill in information you don’t have with guesses (COVID and immunocompromisation), you’re just making things up to suit your belief. Your premise is that other people are just making things up to suit their beliefs. I’ll just stop there.
He was listed as having issues before going to the hospital. They said “otherwise healthy” in the same paragraph as “went to the hospital for trouble breathing”
COVID is still a raging pandemic no matter how far you shove your head up your own ass.
There you go again, making up things so you can make a point. No one ever said or even hinted COVID isn’t present, although I’d argue it is now and will for the foreseeable future be firmly endemic. I’m a microbiologist, remember? I actually worked in public health for years. We tend to believe in science.
There are also numerous things that aren’t COVID that can cause pneumonia. Until we know what that might have been in this case, any statements claiming with any surety that COVID caused these symptoms are purely supposition.
Edit: Oh no! OP caught that I accidentally posted and immediately deleted this comment on my old .world account. Such scandal!
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The way you phrase that is troubling. Intubation doesn’t kill people. People get intubated because they’re going to die without it. Every invasive procedure has its risks, and those are weighed before doing it.
Intubation is risky because the act of intubation itself can introduce deadly pathogens, like MRSA, into the lungs.
Catheterization kills people too, for similar reasons.
People get intubated because they will die without it, meaning the risk of dying from intubation outweighs the guarantee of dying without it.
Intubation is more likely than not going to give you a nasty infection. More than 60% if patients intubated during the pandemic caught some form of secondary infection from the process.
That is what I said.
MRSA is typically easy to treat - that’s why about 75% of patients live
So 25% die even when under treatment? That seems high. A similar mortality rate is the untreated form of dengue fever, severe dengue. Am I totally off the mark?
This is a good paper that gives an overview of MRSA related stats: StatPearls - Methicillin-Resistant Staphylococcus aureus.
The answer is it depends. It’s about 23.5% worldwide if I recall correctly, though I’m having trouble finding the paper I originally pulled that figure from. The paper linked puts it around 30-40%. Keep in mind that MRSA is pretty prevalent, so most people who have it have a commensal “infection” that just hangs out on their skin and, even if it does become pathogenic, it’s often subclinical, so many of the less serious cases go unreported. It’s only when it’s pretty bad or when people are undergoing medical treatment already that it’s actually discovered and even then often not in a way that can be reported. On top of this, treatment varies depending on numerous factors, so areas with fewer medical resources will have significantly higher mortality rates.
Thanks for the reply.
I mean, I’m not trying to play DA for shitty-ass Boeing here, but coincidences do happen. I’m certainly more likely to believe this death was a result of bad luck than the suicide from a guy who told his family, and I quote: “If anything happens, it’s not suicide.”
Oh, totally. It’s possible it’s a coincidence, it’s just also possible that it was Boeing. I’m withholding my final judgment because I can’t know either way with any surety, but I’d be incredibly unsurprised if, were we to ever determine a definite cause plus the existence of a perpetrator, that it was Boeing. Either way, fuck Boeing.
If I was one of the remaining five recent whistleblowers, I’d be looking over my shoulder hard right now.
Whistle blowers die even more frequently
They die all the time even more!
Ok boeing exec
lol
Spotted the Boeing shill.
Wtf
