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Climate change is going to create millions upon millions of migrants
We should tell right wingers that if they don’t stop climate change there’s gonna be more migrants. That will unironically work better than warning them about the world ending.
Their solution will be “shoot migrants” not “solve climate change”.
They already know the threats, they’re just easily duped and believe it’s all made up or that the claimed threats are exaggerated.
Wait until India implodes because of water scarcity.
Millions will become a billion.
You can say no to migrants. Just dont let them in. Its that easy.
Yes. Just tell millions upon millions of suffering people they can’t cross the invisible line to find refuge.
Genius strategy.
Do you think the people who fear migration care the slightest bit about anyone but themselves?
An awful number of them would support attacking rafts filled with refugees with military warships.
Nah, but the sinking rafts bullshit is a super dangerous ploy and needs to be addressed somehow. We cant incentivize it. Maybe just jail everyone involved so no one wants to pay just to sit in an Italian prison?
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I’m sure people who accept the realistic risk of drowning - most cannot swim - will be discouraged by the threat of… being in a prison with better living conditions than their home?
Thats true. But something has to done about the sinking rafts.
How would letting them across improve anyones situations?
Me me me me me me me me me me me …
You’re like a broken record already.
Are you suggesting people culturally removed from your own are a threat to you in some way?
Cause damn. That’d be embarrassing.
Like did they train your job in pantomime?
Or are your own police not more violent to their citizens?
What is it that allowing immigrants in doesn’t improve?
Are you suggesting people culturally removed from your own are a threat to you in some way?
I can rather confidently say that there are cultures with values that are a threat to me, my society and my values, yes.
Cause damn. That’d be embarrassing.
Not in the slightest.
Or are your own police not more violent to their citizens?
No. For a very long time our police was amongst the least violent in the world. Probably still is.
What is it that allowing immigrants in doesn’t improve?
It reduces the productivity of society. Most certainly on an output/capita level, probably even on a total output level. Previously we were able to afford huge amounts of support to organizations such as the UNHCR (almost 1% of GDP) - money that could be used to make the places these people are moving away from better. That isn’t the case anymore.
The solution isn’t to move everyone to developed countries, it is to improve the situation in developing countries. We can’t help with that if our country is an unstable mess of migrant gangs attacking each other and the rest of us.
lol I’d be embarrassed to have such a narrow-minded worldview. You should be too. But go on and stay stubborn, I don’t care. I’d tell you to enjoy your life, but that won’t be possible for you. Is sad.
It’s amazing how quickly you resorted to toothless personal insults when you ran out of relevant things to say. Would be sad if it wasn’t so funny. Thanks!
Well yes, some cultures are dangerous. Rape culture for instance.
As for jobs, short sighted management will always take a lower skilled worker for less money.
Honestly, I dont see how immigration helps the worker, theyre scabs in my book.
…rape culture? Wtf kind of truth social bullshit are you on about? This question is rhetorical.
As for jobs, only if you have 0 fucking skills. Get good and stfu.
Your arguing that “foreigners are highly skilled professionals here to take our jobs but also they’re criminals and rapist boogymen”
They can’t be both, unless they’re, ya know, just regular humans like your neighbor.
Christ.
I see you didnt bother actually reading my comment. Go back and try again.
Wat?
Are there no prisons? And union workhouses, are they still in operation?
Fuck off and watch “A Christmas Carol” again… but this time try and realize that Ebenezer Scrooge isn’t meant to be a role model.
Did you reply to the wrong comment? I said nothing about prisons or unions?
No, this was the right comment to respond to - your comment lacked empathy to why people might become migrants and reminded me a lot of Ebenezer Scrooge commenting on the poor without empathy to the fact that he was contributing to their poverty.
Us first-world nations play a large role in the global warming that drives climate refugees… I think it’s extremely immoral to just put up a big wall and tell people fleeing desertification to go somewhere else after making their home uninhabitable.
How does letting someone move to your country fix their country?
It doesn’t, but we’re all humans and if some of us wreck another person’s country it feels unjust to leave that person stateless.
There might be a basic misunderstanding here… at the rate climate change is going some areas of the earth that are currently inhabitable are becoming uninhabitable. There are farms being swallowed up by desert and the people who were fed by that farm have no where to go.
Do you know what the word sustainability means, though?
Or are you just piling us all into one stereotype and now I have to starve along with everyone else while the rich that caused the problem are the only ones that can afford to live?
This is xmunk’s secret plan for cleansing migrants and low socioeconomic majorities off the planet. Put them all in areas that can’t logistically support them until only those that could afford to survive remain. The same that ruined the climate.
There are people who live in the artic and those who live in deserts. People even farm in the desert. It might not be great, but itll be more than inhabitable.
Just let them slowly cook in the global oven that our industrial consumerist society has created?
That’s some seriously deplorable bullshit
Living in a stable safe country is a privilege we’re born into, much like inheriting a trust fund. It’s an ethical duty to take in people in a less fortunate position. The emphasis should not be on numbers of immigrants so much as better integration once they’re here. And also on helping less fortunate countries (yes I realise why they aren’t as fortunate) become more developed. People don’t tend to migrate if the place they live is good. Oil wars are not helpful.
I think its not ethical to just let in everyone who was born in a third world country. That doesnt even make sense, its just not sustainable, fucks a lot of things up, and doesnt solve problems for anyone. It makes their country worse, make our country worse, what is the plan here?
The alternative would be helping those countries most affected to prevent migrations from happening. In practice, that would look like giving them [Shitloads] of (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8694300/) money .
Like, regardless of ethics, those people will not stop existing once climate change makes their homelands unlivable. The two available plans appear to be “solve climate change as rapidly as possible and bootstrap poor countries up to developed countries pro Bono” or “shoot migrants at the border”.
No clearly, but people don’t usually want to leave their home country to live. It’s usually just people who are displaced or academics. A good solution would be offering scholarships to gifted students from developing countries on the condition that they then use that education within their home country. But in the case of war /persecution, yes every country needs to do their part. Integration classes actually help.
Just look at the difference between Norway and Sweden. Norway has compulsory classes for non eea immigrants to learn about what it means to live in Norway and will actually help people get into work. Sweden sticks them in husby and puts them on benefits. Which country has more problems?
Oh, you must mean the ones who migrate the properly legal way?
Pretty much everything people opposing immigration said came true.
Nah, the capitalists just pitted them and migrating people towards tension for a smoke screen while making working class life harder overall. Immigration opposers have been and consistently keep on being wrong with their paranoia.
So propping up the housing market by keeping population artificially increasing or keeping wages low by hiring lower paid foreign workers isn’t bad for the working population? What about increasing crime or cost to the government. Both of which have been recorded in government stats (though one is Danish).
“The capitalist” if anything want immigration. You want higher wages, better jobs and cheaper housing you want less immigration.
You’re all blinded by what you wish the world was like.
Making a class without agency always leads to crime, it doesn’t matter where they’re from
What does that even mean?
Imagine believing this bullshit.
Delusional
It would just be too bad if a bunch of people from, say, Africa and Asia, decided that it was about time to civilize those backward European savages and set up colonies on their land…
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Europe has seen a sharp rise in the share of people who say that reducing immigration should be a top government priority, according to a study published Wednesday.
At the same time, there was less desire to prioritize fighting climate change in the same countries, according to the survey commissioned by the Denmark-based Alliance of Democracies Foundation think tank.
“Nowhere is this reversal more striking than in Germany, which now leads the world with the highest share of people who want their government to focus on reducing immigration — topping all other priorities — and now nearly twice as high as fighting climate change,” the report read.
The authors found that the greatest perceived threat globally was war and violent conflict, followed by poverty and hunger, and then climate change.
"In the past four years, this perception has remained highest in Latin America, lowest in Asia and has steadily increased in Europe since 2020 — particularly in Germany, the report said.
Anders Fogh Rasmussen, chair of the Alliance of Democracies Foundation, said the figures were “a wake-up call for all democratic governments.”
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The nation that brought us The Third Reich isn’t eager to have outsiders on their soil?! This is more shocking than discovering that allowing your teen son to sleep over at Brian Peck’s house will likely result in Jr needing a lifetime of trauma therapy
