A couple hours before I was on the edge of getting a Fairphone 5 but I read the specifications and didn’t see 3.5 mm audio jack anywhere. So I thought to myself…why? The community has been requesting this for a couple years ago now so why not. They’re already making money on the phone, they’re really pushing for people to get their wireless headphones? Just add the headphone jack, shouldn’t be too hard.

They said they’re treating their workers fairly, sourcing from ethical sources, renewable claims, repairability claims, and supporting foss projects (they donated a fp4 to CalyxOS to support development). All of these are amazing, so adding a little headphone jack shouldn’t be that hard in the grand scheme of all this.

*Add the headphone jack and I’ll be happy to support and get a fp5.

https://calyxos.org/news/2022/02/25/device-support/

https://shop.fairphone.com/fairphone-5

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      This is how it should be done: you introduce new, better standards, people switch and when it’s actually obsolete (no one is using it any more) you remove it.

      I think there is a fair argument to be made that back when apple pushed away from it, it was forced. I personally didn’t care, but I understand why some people did.

      But that’s not what we are talking about, we are talking about today… What’s done is done…

      People were (and are) still using mini jacks

      Most people weren’t and certainly aren’t… The people who still cling to the jack never seem to understand this, but most smartphone users simply don’t care about audio quality on their phone… Most people don’t even listen to music on their phone… And among those who do, most don’t care or even notice the loss of quality with wireless… And for the few who care, there are alternatives, such as adapters…

      And just as a reminder, we are talking about the upcoming fairphone 5, a device that has the goal of lasting 10 years… There is no reasonable justification for putting a port on it that has by now virtually disappeared from the smartphone market and that most people would never use…

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          Wow, that’s a bold statement.

          If you think that it is a bold statement you absolutely live in a bubble…

          in the sense that most people in the world don’t own a phone.

          Most people in the world do own a phone… About 75% of the global population… It’s just that most use it to access the internet, write mails or, you know, call people…

          As your study says, young people do listen to music on their phones. It even surprises me a bit that they only listen to 44% of their music on their phone, but otherwise, no objection. But not every smartphone user is a young person… And even those that do use their phone to listen to music, not all of them listen with headphones. Many use it to play music in their car, or connect it to speakers, or even use their built in speakers, etc.

          I think you’re looking at yourself and thinking that everyone is using a phone the same way you do.

          I used to, but the thing is, I do actually listen to music on my phone. Not as much as I used to, but I still do from time to time. And many in my immediate environment do too. But overtime, I realized that most people don’t use their phone the same way I do, especially older people and non-technical savy people. Most listen to music in their car, or on the radio.

          In reality people were used to just plugging their headphones into heir phone and now they can’t.

          In reality, most people simply did not really care very much… And more importantly, virtually nobody cares today…

          New standard was pushed on them and the only reason was to make some extra money on AirPods.

          Correct, and virtually everyone just shrugged and accepted it because most people did not care all that much…

          So yeah, people will move on in the end but they are right to complain.

          My dude, people have already moved on years ago… Apple removed the jack in 2017… Which is why I think it’s ridiculous that people still act as if this is a controversial issue, let alone a dealbreaker, looking towards the future…

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              still claim that people don’t use phones for music.

              But I have never claimed that “people don’t use phones for music”, I claimed that most people don’t use their phone to listen to music on their headphones… Many do, me included, but most simply don’t…

              If you ignore all the people that care about an issue you will conclude that no one cares.

              But I don’t conclude that nobody cares… Obviously at least some people care, this post was made by somebody who does for example… But the thing is that a majority of people don’t…

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                  You keep making the same point

                  You made a claim that I wrote something I didn’t write, do you expect me to just let you put words into my mouth?

                  You have a different standard.

                  The vast majority of people interested in the fairphone have “a different standard”…

                  But for me what Apple did was wrong.

                  Ok, great, you have an opinion. An opinion I can completely understand. What does it have to do with this post though?

                  Mini jack was not obsolete

                  It wasn’t. But it’s not 2017 anymore…

                  Even you admitted they only did it for profit

                  Of course they did, why else would they do it, they are a company.

                  just don’t criticize people that do care.

                  I will criticize whoever I want because it’s fucking annoying to have the self-rightous jack defenders pretend martyrers proudly proclaim that they will sacrifice themself and not buy the newest fairphone because “fairphone went against community demands” and act as if they are the majority and represent the views of “the community” IN 2023…

                  They don’t… Most people in the fairphone community didn’t care about the jack back when it was removed… Most members of the community preferred a slimmer phone to a headphone jack back when the last fairphone was released. And despite of this, you still had some loud-mouths who acted as if their opinions alone represent “the community”, ignored all the discussion in the community and claimed that fairphone acted against community interest.

                  And as “a member of the fairphone community”, I didn’t say anything, like most who don’t care about the jack, because I don’t care about the jack, I care about being able to change parts, I care about it lasting for many years and I care about it being small enough to fit in my pocket comfortably.

                  That was years ago, back when the fairphone decided to do this. And now, the upcoming model doesn’t bring it back (to the surprise of virtually nobody) and you have the same wannabe martyrers saying stuff like “just bring it back, how hard can it be, the community demands it”… No, the community doesn’t demand it… The community demands a modular and long lasting phone that is slim and cheap at the same time…

                  we’ll do it as long as we can

                  Do whatever pointless posturing you want, just don’t act as if you are in the majority or represent all of a community when you don’t…

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                    Devil’s Advocate as I agree with you, but feel this point should be covered:

                    Why not make a headphone jack module? If the phone is so easy to repair, then it should be pretty modular, so giving a choice (and probably making it one of the most expensive modules because the demand is DEFINITELY not going to be there to make it cheap through numbers) could not hurt and only help the FairPhone, right?

                    Again, Devil’s advocate, I already know a few potential arguments, but I feel like it was a point being ignored that should be covered