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Vladimir Putin has demanded that Kyiv cede more land, withdraw troops deeper inside its own country, and drop its Nato bid in order for him to end Russia’s war in Ukraine.
Putin’s fresh ceasefire demands were issued as envoys from more than 90 countries, including Ukraine, convene in Switzerland this weekend to discuss a western-led peace plan. Russia is not invited to the conference and the president’s remarks on Friday were likely to have been timed as a spoiler to that summit.
Speaking with diplomats at the Russian foreign ministry, Putin publicly updated his terms for ending the war in Ukraine for the first time since he launched a full-scale invasion in February 2022, when he demanded regime change in Kyiv and the country’s “demilitarisation”.
The US defence secretary, Lloyd Austin, said Putin was in “no position” to make demands on Ukraine and could end the war he had started “today if he chose to do that.”
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I know a very easy way for the war to end right now, Vlad.
You order your troops to leave Ukraine.
War over.
He most likely achieves internal goals through external means
Hi Ukraine, we understand you didn’t want to immediately surrender your lands and rights. That’s very difficult, we realize. To address your concerns, we’re now offering an installment plan.
Lmao
The joke is that even if Ukraine would agree, it’s just a trick to gain more land and do it again.
I hope to see him get bayoneted up the arse.
His worst fear is to end up like Gaddafi.
It is incumbent upon all of us to make that happen.
Or better yet, just let him withdraw his troops from Ukraine and live as he pleases
With images like this, of coarse!!!
But how will he be able to keep his uber masculine persona alive then?
He will be the finest male within Russia 😏
Well, if he continues on the current path long enough he might be the only male within Russia…
The best way to stop that war is to bring Putin in front of the ICC for his war crimes.
Yeah, South Africa will submit the paperwork to ICC any day now…
This seems to imply that there aren’t already ICC warrants for Putin. There are…
No. That’s not what I wrote. To try to get it to that you’d have to perform quite some acrobatics to be able to leave out “South Africa” from the picture.
South Africa requested not to have to arrest Putin last year. War crimes in Ukraine not the top priority for South Africa then but it seems like they changed their mind about war crimes since last October. Well, not regarding war crimes in Ukraine it seems though…
Hmm, I wasn’t aware of that. Thanks for the info.
I’d prefer the option where Putler sticks a hand grenade up his butt
That or in Russian court.
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Yes, but now their propaganda machine can say that they want to stop the war.
As far as I can tell, that’s de rigeur for these now. It’s largely the same on both sides in the other war too.
I think international pressure needs to be brought to bear. I can appreciate that the end of the war will likely require unpopular concessions. But I think humanitarian concerns as well as the need to halt the advance of authoritarian nationalism around the world requires an end to the two big wars.
If we can’t find an end, the US should withdraw from both. Our role is prolonging them.
Can I come to your house and start taking your things and say you’re prolonging the suffering if you try to stop me, and we should just stop and go our separate ways (after I take a few more things)?
I don’t really get how this analogy is useful. I’m not of the opinion that anything Russia is doing is justifiable or just.
Putin’s was of aggression is very bad. We agree on that.
Yeah you relayed your humanitarian concerns
Lots of passive voice here. Ukraine is fighting off an existential threat from a historically genocidal state. All Putin has to do is stop issuing orders and the war ends right this second.
The sovereign government in Ukraine asks for our help in their defense. Why should we not?
This is a good question.
I think I would support their defense more assertively if I was presented with a compelling case of what the options are, and what outcomes each might lead to.
Currently, I feel like I’m only really presented with the demand that we continue to send enough weapons with restrictions that we keep the war going, as a way to weaken Russia geopolitically and to give money to the military industrial complex without a clear plan beyond that, or any sign that a victory is on its way. And then eventually, Biden loses in part because his foreign policy is broadly unpopular, and most likely Trump cuts off all aid and the Russia conquers Ukraine.
I don’t see a coherent strategy to improve Ukraine’s negotiating position from where it is. Just a lot of jingoism. If there’s an actual plan to win, lay it out. Otherwise, it feels like the alternative is just the same outcomes currently on the table (or worse), but after more people are dead.
The initial plan of US was to weaken Russia and make putin withdraw on its own.
With recent delivery of long distance munition, changing policy on hitting into Russia and imposing sanctions on banks it is clear that the policy changed to let Ukraine defeat Russia even if it would result in a collapse of RF.
I appreciate that this is a little closer to an objective, but it doesn’t seem serious or coherent.
For instance, why not fully commit? Why not give Zalinsky full permission to do whatever he wants? Why not let him strike Moscow? Why not threaten Moscow with a direct American attack?
Are we willing to collapse the country or not? Are we committed to doing whatever it takes to ensure a complete victory for Ukraine or not?
People act as though anyone who discusses limits to assistance is a traitor to our ally like we haven’t already been placing huge limits on our assistance, and like they themselves aren’t all opposed to actually doing the things I think it would take to win.
Why are my limits a traitorous betrayal and Joe Biden’s limits courageous support of an ally when it’s not clear that there’s a meaningful difference in the outcome of the war?
Oh, don’t worry, there will be full permission. In a few weeks, and it will be without headlines.
Hi Dimitri 👋🏼
Obvious troll is obvious.
At least I hope you get paid to peddle that nonsense.
So if the same applies to Russia Putin is okay with a foreign country invading Russia based on lies, capturing territory, targeting and murdering civilians and kidnapping children, violating treaties, and they would accept a ceasefire with the invader keeping everything they currently hold to regroup for another assault? Get the fuck out of here
Though I fully agree with you, here is some food for thought:
If, IF, come November, trump gets elected, then that’s it. He will remove all money from Ukraine, he’ll give Putin free reign to invade Ukraine and he won’t criticize Putin if he just streams on to the baltics and then poland too.
Get the fuxk out of here, indeed, but I fear that soon Europe will have to go to war with Russia
Biden’s last act should be to give Ukraine a pile of nukes.
Of all the ideas that anyone ever had, this one is the worst.
Citation needed.
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If he actually did this from a position of power, one might understand this. But in the here and now, it is totally ridiculous.
What’s new about it? His demands always were “Give me everything I want or I will take it by force”
Guess the new part is he pinky swears they can keep the Western half of Ukraine. As long as they don’t form alliances and agree to weaken the military protecting the Western half…
“You give up, do as I say and I take everything” is not a peace negotiation. Its a renewal of his declaration of war.
It’s like a house squatter demanding the house owner to leave to end the conflict.
Putin, just leave…
This fuckin guy! He should do stand-up or clown school.
Meanwhile real stand-up comedian: when to laugh?
Hey here’s an idea: instead of telling Putin to end the war himself, how bout if NATO DOES THE ONE FUCKING JOB IT WAS CREATED TO DO?
You realize that Nato is a defense alliance, dedicated to protecting other member states. Ukraine is NOT a member of Nato. And cannot currently join Nato, because only a country not at war can join.
It has been said that the literal minute this war ends, Ukraines application is all but already passed. But that can’t happen until they end the war. Which means either Putin loses, and goes home, Putin takes all of Ukraine 100% defeated and absorbed into russia, or Ukraine wins the war on their terms.
Until then, Nato is mostly bound to stay out of foreign affairs by their own mission statement
Exactly this. People are so deluded that NATO aren’t a world police force and isn’t just a pact to protect its members is unreal
Then they are fucking morons and deserve the nukes. Only feckless pussies sit there and watch the imperial force roll over a country and say “welp, cant do anything about it because they’re not our buddies!” These motherfuckers will break all kinds of “regulations” if some billionaire asks for it, so I’m not buying it. “Ukraine can join after the war” is sheer fucking insanity.
Tell me you know nothing about nuclear warfare without saying you don’t know nothing about nuclear warfare.
Either that or you really want to see the whole earth in ashes.
No, I fully understand. I just dont act like a weak, pathetic Putin apologist telling Ukraine to fuck off when they know damn well that it doesnt stop with Ukraine. I swear to fucking Cthulhu the entire world has turned into a bunch of dormat pussies just waiting to get shoved into gas chambers.
Fuck
Okay, tough guy. Why don’tcha get off of Lemmy and go fight in Ukraine? After all, someone who isn’t a doormat pussy (such as yourself) would surely love to do their part in fighting Russia…
…Right? Or are you just here to insult everyone like a raging asshole?
Yeah, but you do understand, that nuking can’t be a solution?
I didnt say it was a solution; I’m saying it is the expected outcome for doormats.
Feel free to join Ukraine as a voluntary fighter. Many have done so. Or keep spouting shit here about others. Put your money where your mouth is, Sir Feckless.
Aaaawwww arent you just adorable!
Any response other than “I already have” or “I donate resources” paints you as an armchair hypocrite who doesn’t have the credentials to understand, let alone have an opinion about this conflict.
You my friend, are the one who is adorable.
World War is not the solution you think it is
Can’t do anything? Where have you been for the past 2 years? The west has lead the most massive material aid program since world war 2
Let’s all send Angela Merkel a big flaming poop basket for ensuring that didn’t happen when they had the chance.
I know so little about her work as germanys chancler, that I have no ability to have an opinion of her.
NATO is a defensive pact, not a global army. Its job is to keep its member countries safe and peaceful. NATO will not attack Russia unless Russia does so first by attacking a NATO country. Ukraine is currently not in NATO (though they wish to be) and as such NATO will not be involved. The individual countries, of course, can help support Ukraine but that’s about it.
Which is?
Protect a member nation from invasion. So I’m not sure how they can help in this instance.
They’re doing the best they can with the little amount of rope they have.
In that case I will freshly issue a demand for Putin to surrender to Ukrainian forces step down and face trial for war crimes.
