I just can’t fathom how a woman can overpower a man in that manner. Even if a woman is physically stronger than the man. If a man really doesn’t want to, how could she even make him erect by force, let alone force it inside her?

I feel like I’m too ignorant on the subject. So please, anyone, enlighten me.

p.s. Statutory rape I do see how that would happen.

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    There are a few misconceptions in your logic.

    1. Force is required to rape
    2. Erections are controllable

    Both of them are easy to disprove, but not obvious at first sight.

    For 1 consider any case where a woman might have power (not physical) over a man, e.g. blackmail, teacher, parole officer, boss, etc. Another possibility to remember are weapons or physical threats to a third party. Also you should remember that humans have a fight/flight/freeze response, so a third of humans would just freeze regardless of being able to overpower their attacker. Finally there’s also the possibility of even without any threat, even being able to think properly, and knowing that he could physically overpower a female attacker, a man might not do it for fear of legal or moral repercussions, e.g. being thought not to hit girls or believing that no one would believe that he was defending himself. In fact lots of women who get raped don’t try to fight back or escape, believing (sometimes accurately) that their attacker would worsen the offense if they did that, e.g. by killing them (even if no threat was made), it’s not uncommon for rape victims to feel ashamed and guilt about not having fought back, and by saying that men can’t get raped because they could theoretically overpower their attacker you’re indirectly saying that any woman who doesn’t fight back with all her might is not being raped either, because they could have overpowered their attacker of they tried.

    For 2, erections (and even ejaculation) are physical responses, in fact you can make a corpse get a hard on and cum (some wives do it to preserve their husbands sperm). This is no different from women getting wet or having orgasms while being raped (both of which are common), it means nothing, it’s just a physical reaction to a physical stimulus. In fact lots of victims (both men and women), especially those in abusive relationships think they deserve that because of those physiological reactions. To put it in simpler terms, saying a men can’t be raped because if they got an erection it means they wanted it is like saying that people can’t be stabbed because if they bled is because they wanted the knife.

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    A lot of aggression in this comments with this is literally no stupid questions.

    Sexual assault comes in many forms and men are and can be victims of most of them. Coercion, violence, emotional manipulation, drugs or alcohol, the list is the same regardless of gender.

    As for an erection, it’s a biological response so they don’t correspond to desire/attraction/consent. Many women who are raped get “wet” and even orgasm, but that does not indicate pleasure or consent. It’s actually one of the reasons rape victims feel very guilty about the event. “If I didn’t want it/hated it/was scared, why did I cum?” That reasoning is also part of why people don’t report rape. They think that having an orgasm will hurt their chances to press charges or win because “they enjoyed it”

    Rape can also happen between consenting people as well. In fact, quite a lot of what is and should be considered sexual assault/rape, is a partner “going too far” or doing something their consenting partner didn’t consent to.

    Healthy sexual intimacy requires clear communication, setting boundaries, and making sure those things aren’t broken. The kink/BDSM community is an extreme form of sexual pleasure, and despite literal violence and pain, there is always consent at the forefront and there is always an “opt-out” or safe word that ends the encounter with no second guessing.

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      Rape can also happen between consenting people as well. In fact, quite a lot of what is and should be considered sexual assault/rape, is a partner “going too far” or doing something their consenting partner didn’t consent to.

      Say one partner (A) did something to partner (B) which B did not consent to initially. B says this to partner A afterwards to which she replies “Sorry, but I was really close.” But she sort of promised to not do it again. What would you make of that?

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        It would def have to be a discussion, but that would by default be sexual assault

        Bodily autonomy and safety around boundaries are paramount over “finishing”

        No means no, and yes means yes until a no

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    Power over another person, the prerequisite for most sexual violence, doesn’t have to come from superior physical strength. It could come from an age difference, a professor-student or boss-employee dynamic, or some form of blackmail, for example. And the body can experience physical arousal in response to the right stimuli even when you don’t want to have sex. You can also do acts of sexual violence that do not require an erect penis.

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    There is one case I know of personally, I don’t think it technically falls under the description of rape but I consider it rape. Husband & wife, wife wanted kid. Husband did not. Their birth control was pill-based oral contraceptive. Wife very purposefully moved off that birth control without telling the husband, husband was just raw-dogging her because “she was on the pill”…lo & behold…she gets pregnant.

    She’s not very smart, and she has told a number of people about this deception & laughs about it. HAHAHA, oh, so funny, yeah that’s rape. You took advantage of your husband & used his reproductive abilities against his explicit wishes. You raped your husband. Had yourself a little rape-baby. Hilarious stuff (stupid broad).

    Again, I don’t think that’s currently covered under rape. But goddamn I think it should be (although it’s harder to prove without confession/admission).

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      That’s not rape, it’s deception. She willingly had sex with him. She deceived him on whether she was on birth control. It’s not the same thing, not even close.

      MRA’s are pussies, by the way. The have every advantage, but whine when they actually have to compete. Real men, yessir.

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        Would he have had unprotected sex with her if he knew the truth? If not it’s pretty rapey. What if it were the other way around and he had slipped the condom off without her knowledge?

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            The only difference between it being forcible rape and it being “deception” is that the victim doesn’t know the real situation. It’s still forcing them to have sex against their will because if they knew the truth they would resist. The dictionary also supports this being rape.

            rape 1 of 4 noun (1) ˈrāp Synonyms of rape 1 : unlawful sexual activity and usually sexual intercourse carried out forcibly or under threat of injury against a person’s will or with a person who is beneath a certain age or incapable of valid consent because of mental illness, mental deficiency, intoxication, unconsciousness, or deception

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    Bro, there are plenty of women that are stronger than guys. There are PLENTY of buff women who lift weights that can beat the shit out of an average guy who doesn’t lift. Not sure if you’re picturing every woman as like 5’1 and 100 lbs. I think you’re making grossly inaccurate assumptions.

    Also psychological abuse can force people to submit to activities that they wouldn’t normally submit to, regardless of size.

    OP I really think you need to reframe your thinking about how this happens. You’re thinking about it from an incredible narrow lens. Strong men forcing weak girl to have sex is not the only way this type of thing happens.

    Edit: that being said, a majority of rapes are most definitely men doing it to women. I’m not going to pretend like it’s not. But it’s not ALWAYS that!

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    I mean, I don’t work out and am in terrible shape. A woman could easily overpower me if she was even slightly athletic. Not every man works at being strong, and not every woman is weak.

    Also, as my sister points out: Gun.

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    By your logic a woman couldn’t be raped because she got wet and had an orgasm. Getting an erection isn’t a conscious thing that men will by, like lifting an arm. Plenty of men also get physically abused by their girlfriends / wives, despite being physically stronger and technically able to overpower them. If you really cannot fathom how psychological pressure & abuse works then I am not sure where to even start. I got raped by my ex early in my life when I was sleeping. And yes, men can get a boner when asleep too. I woke up during the event, obviously confused, and just went with it, before falling asleep again. I only understood what even really happened much much later in life.

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    1. Rape does not always involve physically overpowering someone. Someone may coerce someone else into sex with blackmail, lies, threats, or abuse of a position of power.

    2. Erections are controlled by a person’s autonomic nervous system. A man can get hard even when he is not turned on or consenting to what is happening.

    3. Not all rape involves a penis. A woman who sticks an object into a man without his consent is committing rape. Rape is about power and control over another person, and the rapist need not be directly stimulated for rape to occur.

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      Number 3 in many states is legally not rape. In many states rape is legally defined as someone inserting a penis into a vagina. As fucked as that is, often people suggesting changes to the laws to make them more accurate to reality, end up getting vilified as some sort of apologist or predator themselves.

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          This answer is from Kagi’s search summary: I don’t know how accurate it may or may not be:


          As of 2024, the specific U.S. states that only define rape as requiring penis insertion are:

          • Alabama
          • Florida
          • Idaho
          • Kansas
          • Louisiana
          • Mississippi
          • North Carolina
          • Oklahoma
          • South Carolina
          • Texas

          These states have not updated their legal definitions of rape to include other forms of sexual penetration or oral sex, which can lead to underreporting and inadequate prosecution of sexual assault cases. It is important to note that federal law and many other states have broader definitions of rape that encompass various forms of non-consensual sexual contact.

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      The “abuse of a position of power” is what companies do nowadays… “either you click on agree to these new TOS or you can’t use Disney+ anymore, we don’t care if you paid until October”

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    Erections are a biological response to stimulus, desire is not required.

    For example a man could be overpowered, tied-up, and teased manually until erect. This is only one possibility but there are many other ways

    Also penetration doesn’t need to happen for it to still be considered rape.

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      Also penetration doesn’t need to happen for it to still be considered rape

      Depends where you are. In many localities this is exactly false, and in those localities by definition women can’t rape men, unwanted sexual contact by a woman would be sexual assault at best unless she penetrates you.

      Yes, it’s fucked up.

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        Yeah, I had initially thought there was a nationwide standard and am finding out that there isn’t.

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    Maybe it helps with understanding when you think of examples of female rape that isn’t a stranger beating up a woman in a dark alley.

    Like Harvey Weinstein. Countless women have come forward about rape and sexual violence from him. I doubt he always used physical violence on these women. But he was this all powerful person in the filmindustry who could and would destroy lives and careers with a wave of his hand if you’d deny him.

    Very often rape and sexual violence comes out of a power dynamic where the victim (no matter the gender) feels they don’t have a choice. Physical violence does not have to be involved.

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    Coersion. For example, “if you don’t have sex with me right now, we’re breaking up/I’m divorcing you/I’m going to ruin your life by doing xyz.” And when you say no, she’ll threaten to call the cops on you for some made up bullshit, but they’ll believe her over you because she’s the woman and you’re the man.

    Also, you don’t have to be erect to have someone force you into performing sex acts. She could force you to perform oral on her, she could grope you, she could even penetrate you.

    But if this happens to you, fight back.

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      I knew this post wouldn’t be a very “positive” one. But man that’s messed up. I think I understand now.

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      But if this happens to you, fight back.

      But remember, YOU will be going to jail if you do.

      It’s not right, but it’s the truth

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    It happens when your girlfriend is extremely unstable by default, even more so after a fight, comes to your parents house drunk in the middle of the night and essentially shames you for trying to reject her advances while simultaneously being physical about it by forcing you down and assuming you’re playing some mind game while you try your best to avoid waking your parents in the next room and making a scene cause she’s being loud and borderline belligerent. The sheer embarassment is enough for personal boundaries to get absolutely stomped on in that situation.

    Life is living among infinite shades of grey. Every situation has nuance that you might not have thought of.

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    I remember one guy telling his story that he was raped by a pregnant woman. He didn’t want to hurt the baby so he couldn’t force her to stop.

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    Well some woman on the street can definitely drag you to a corner and do a lot of sexual things to yoy without consent. Thats rape.