Here’s a hint: I think a peace deal to end the war in Ukraine should involve a new referendum organized and monitored by an impartial body (so not one picked by either Russia or NATO) before I was comfortable with Crimea or other parts of Eastern Ukraine joining Russia.
It’s a good compromise because it leaves everyone unhappy.
Or Russia can get the fuck out of Ukraine. Your “compromise” is letting the mugger only take half of your wallet.
Giving concessions to Nazi Germany is how the world let WWII happen in the first place. Russia has been allowed to fuck around for far too much. They should have been stopped when they invaded Georgia. Letting them have parts of Ukraine will only give them time to regroup and possibly invade either Ukraine again or some other nation.
before I was comfortable with Crimea or other parts of Eastern Ukraine joining Russia.
Are you currently in Crimea? Other parts of Ukraine? Is this really your call?
Your “compromise” is letting the mugger only take half of your wallet.
People aren’t property, you don’t get to keep them just because you own them. They have self determination.
Are you currently in Crimea? Other parts of Ukraine? Is this really your call?
No, it’s theirs, which is why I want them to have a choice! I’m the one that wants to let them choose whether they join Russia or stay with Ukraine. You’re the one that wants to hold them against their will if they truly want to leave.
I’d be comfortable with allowing them to do what they want. Why do you not want the same?
They didn’t get a choice to get invaded by Russia in the first place. Why should they get a choice about whether or not Russia should stay there, especially after Russia has either driven out or arrested people trying to get the occupied areas out of Russian hands?
Zelenski wants guns and bullets. What do the People want? Do Crimeans want the US to give Ukraine more guns and bullets? Or do they not count for some reason?
Casualties in the Russo-Ukrainian War include six deaths during the 2014 annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation, 14,200–14,400 military and civilian deaths during the War in Donbas
So I’m guessing what a large number of them want is for Russia to unkill their friends and relatives. But then most of the ones who want that have been driven out, arrested, or intimidated into silence.
Interesting. How about a counter-offer? Russia gets the fuck off the Ukraine, pays reparations, and maybe in a decade or so of being nice the rest of the world starts trading with them.
Ukraine has/had an imperfect government, that doesn’t mean they deserve to be invaded. My government is far far from perfect that doesn’t mean I should be punished with bombs going off on my block and my children kidnapped.
Fuck Putin and fuck his supporters and fuck anyone who both sides this crap. Russia could have sat there and broken their own people forever and no one would have raised a finger to stop it they invaded a neighbor that was zero threat to them. For what? So an elderly despot could enjoy his fantasies of restoring a dead empire.
Interesting. How about a counter-offer? Russia gets the fuck off the Ukraine, pays reparations, and maybe in a decade or so of being nice the rest of the world starts trading with them.
The rest of the world is trading with them. It’s just the NATO bloc that has cut them off, which is now bifurcating the global economy. It’s one of the main reasons for inflation all throughout the West, because our currencies are now not being used by a growing segment of the world economy.
Your counteroffer isn’t happening and if we keep this up things will only get worse. We can’t dictate terms. We have to negotiate.
Ukraine has/had an imperfect government, that doesn’t mean they deserve to be invaded.
Ukraine had a pro-Western revolution/coup that removed Russian allies and replaced them with NATO allies. It doesn’t matter if they “deserve” to be invaded (I don’t think they deserved it, for the record), Russia merely did what was in it’s geopolitical interests.
Fuck Putin and fuck his supporters and fuck anyone who both sides this crap.
You are still defending them? Why? I am sure you aren’t being paid for weekend work. Anyway I block Russian shills but feel free to earn your potatos by replying.
Here’s a hint: I think a peace deal to end the war in Ukraine should involve a new referendum organized and monitored by an impartial body (so not one picked by either Russia or NATO) before I was comfortable with Crimea or other parts of Eastern Ukraine joining Russia.
It’s a good compromise because it leaves everyone unhappy.
Or Russia can get the fuck out of Ukraine. Your “compromise” is letting the mugger only take half of your wallet.
Giving concessions to Nazi Germany is how the world let WWII happen in the first place. Russia has been allowed to fuck around for far too much. They should have been stopped when they invaded Georgia. Letting them have parts of Ukraine will only give them time to regroup and possibly invade either Ukraine again or some other nation.
Are you currently in Crimea? Other parts of Ukraine? Is this really your call?
People aren’t property, you don’t get to keep them just because you own them. They have self determination.
No, it’s theirs, which is why I want them to have a choice! I’m the one that wants to let them choose whether they join Russia or stay with Ukraine. You’re the one that wants to hold them against their will if they truly want to leave.
I’d be comfortable with allowing them to do what they want. Why do you not want the same?
They didn’t get a choice to get invaded by Russia in the first place. Why should they get a choice about whether or not Russia should stay there, especially after Russia has either driven out or arrested people trying to get the occupied areas out of Russian hands?
They want more guns and bullets. I wonder why?
Zelenski wants guns and bullets. What do the People want? Do Crimeans want the US to give Ukraine more guns and bullets? Or do they not count for some reason?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War
So I’m guessing what a large number of them want is for Russia to unkill their friends and relatives. But then most of the ones who want that have been driven out, arrested, or intimidated into silence.
Interesting. How about a counter-offer? Russia gets the fuck off the Ukraine, pays reparations, and maybe in a decade or so of being nice the rest of the world starts trading with them.
Ukraine has/had an imperfect government, that doesn’t mean they deserve to be invaded. My government is far far from perfect that doesn’t mean I should be punished with bombs going off on my block and my children kidnapped.
Fuck Putin and fuck his supporters and fuck anyone who both sides this crap. Russia could have sat there and broken their own people forever and no one would have raised a finger to stop it they invaded a neighbor that was zero threat to them. For what? So an elderly despot could enjoy his fantasies of restoring a dead empire.
The rest of the world is trading with them. It’s just the NATO bloc that has cut them off, which is now bifurcating the global economy. It’s one of the main reasons for inflation all throughout the West, because our currencies are now not being used by a growing segment of the world economy.
Your counteroffer isn’t happening and if we keep this up things will only get worse. We can’t dictate terms. We have to negotiate.
Ukraine had a pro-Western revolution/coup that removed Russian allies and replaced them with NATO allies. It doesn’t matter if they “deserve” to be invaded (I don’t think they deserved it, for the record), Russia merely did what was in it’s geopolitical interests.
Deeply unserious. 😔
You are still defending them? Why? I am sure you aren’t being paid for weekend work. Anyway I block Russian shills but feel free to earn your potatos by replying.
Apparently a coup is a pretext for a foreign power to invade. Which is a strange pretext for a war and one I’m unfamiliar with.