Would be nice if they actually wanted to do it, instead of finding procedural excuses and rotating villains so it can’t be done.
Or maybe those are actually obstructions getting in the way of the majority of the party that actively pushes for that stuff consistently?
You’re alleging a party leadership conspiracy that would necessarily be of a size surpassing when a conspiracy will naturally collapse and be outed by its own members trying to save their own skin.
This isn’t apologism, it’s a mathematically proven fact of how conspiracies and secret keeping work.
Occam’s razer, a big tent coalition party is naturally going to have at least one or two contrarian assholes and as a result needs to overperform winning mere simple majorities to be able to achieve the most points of their agenda.
We could turn around and call the Squad rotating villains for some of their symbolic votes against party policy, but we don’t because those votes were rendered symbolic by there being a wide enough margin for those bills to pass anyways.
bro you don’t have to have a conspiracy when your interests converge. where is this majority that’s pushing for actual change and not just talking about it for campaign purposes?
Check the vote roles every time a bill’s come up?
dude you’re the one making the argument. you’re going to have to at least tell me what bills you’re talking about
I’m not the one alleging a mass conspiracy to secretly hold back platformed legislation while appearing to support it.
bro you’re replying to my comment that says there isn’t a conspiracy. you can just say “I don’t feel like providing sources for my claims” you don’t have to try to act like you’ve got some moral high ground
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every time a bill’s come up?
You say that as if a substantial portion of the fuckery (in general – not about the Democrats or this issue specifically) isn’t in the form of procedural machinations to stop things from coming up for a vote in the first place.
You say that as if it’s not exactly what’s kept happening. None of what’s happening is new, just how often it keeps happening because Republicans have been taken over by the obstruction caucus completely.
Why are you so insistent on blaming the democrats for what the Republicans (and leftover Liebercrats) are doing to stop them from achieving anything?
What do you mean, “so insistent?” Check the username; that was my first reply to you in this thread.
Also, I said…
(in general – not about the Democrats or this issue specifically)
…and I meant it. I really am just pointing out the flaw in the “check the vote rolls” argument, not blaming Democrats!
They didn’t codify Roe vs Wade when Obama had a supermajority, they could’ve raised the minimum wage any time between the 90s and now, etc.
They want to keep things on the table in order to be able to run on them.
You mean that super majority that lasted only long enough to get the Affordable Care Act done and even then only after like ten Joe Manchins had to be appeased first?
The dems have had all three branches for maybe ten percent of all that time since the 90s and even then only barely.
This would not be a problem if y’all spent half the energy turning out that you do complaining about what happened because everyone else did.
You mean that super majority that lasted only long enough to get the Affordable Care Act done and even then only after like ten Joe Manchins had to be appeased first?
You say that as if they can’t work on more than one piece of legislation at a time. They have aides and staffers! They have the manpower to do two things at once!
Do you actually know for a fact that that’s enough manpower to work on multiple major pieces of legislation at the same time, or do you just want to say that because you wamt be amgy?
You’re kidding, right?
First of all, the Affordable Care Act was mostly just cheating off of Mitt Romney’s paper.
Second, Federal legislation in general is ghostwritten by lobbyists most of the time to begin with.
Third, of course they have manpower: they control their own budget and can vote themselves as much help as they want. If they choose not to do that, it’s hardly an excuse for failing to get shit done!
Fourth, even if the above weren’t true and they really did have to choose between the ACA and the other things mentioned upthread, prioritizing further enshrining insurance industry bureaucracy in its privileged position was absolutely the wrong choice.
You say that as if they can’t work on more than one piece of legislation at a time.
Thanks for affirming you don’t know how fighting for votes on controversial legislation works.
The passivity of regular folks is what allows fake grassroots interests to dominate the conversation on the Democratic side. Progressive people exist in the Democratic party, they aren’t all Feinsteins. It’s time to get the butts of people who are trying to enact change into seats of power, and let the ones who don’t retire.
“let them retire”? Biden will never step down. Trump will never stop trying to be dictator. SCOTUS judges rule for life. Nobody with that level of power voluntarily retires. They need to be forced out of office. “let them retire” is the definition of passivity. Even if this is just about democrats, they’re no less power hungry than republicans. No Democrat in a position of power would voluntarily retire unless they got caught in a big enough scandal, and even then probably not
The minimum wage was last raised by a Dem House, Senate, and President, all of which were arguably less progressive than the current incarnations. Why wouldn’t they do it again if they had the votes?
Because then the “BOTHSIDES” narrative falls apart.
When do you think they could have done it?
Did the person who made this consciously fuck up the grammar? It’s so bad it’s hard to believe otherwise. The idiocy required for any of those options is disgusting.
They had enough seats. There were democrats that voted against the damn thing, and I dont just mean Manchin and Sinema.
Yet somehow when 100% of Republicans voted against they are held blameless as they are expected to be fully servile to the corporate class, and only Democrats have the obligation to pass laws.
Republicans dont survive out in the open on places like here. If a post showed up by a republican trying to argue against minimum wage, it’d get obliterated with rebuttals.
Even when criticizing democrats, its only when theyre acting like republicans.
I support raising the minimum wage, but there should be an exemption for people living with middle class parents.
you raise the minimum wage so they dont have to live with their parents
“But what if we accidentally help too many people?”
I have no power over what republicans do because I don’t vote for them and never have. There is no reason for them to acknowledge me. Therefore I can scream to the high heavens about them sucking, and they won’t change a thing. Democrats I’ve voted for before, they actually have reason to listen to what I want to happen because it can net or cost them a vote.
Ill tell you what, you go yell at republicans and see how much progress you make, and I’ll continue to raise my concerns to those that have reason to listen to them.
Living in a red state it feels like screaming into a void, as unfortunately the only discernable desires from the right wing base are “please tread on me, corporations” and “please shield my kids from new ideas,” with an endless supply of pundits and politicians selling that shtick.
That’s because Republicans aren’t people, and they aren’t really pretending to be with any particular effort. Democrats are claiming to be the good guys
Even so, it’d still require 2/3, because sole Republican shill would just filibuster it.
I dunno, for me this is more about the candidate that wants to stop the world from burning vs the one that’s actively wants the world to burn for profit.
The one who follows the science versus the one who lets millions of people die because it might hurt his political image to acknowledge that he is incompetent.
Too bad biden wants to expand the oil industry and refuses to step down then. It’d very be cool if one of the two big candidates wasn’t straight evil rather than one who’s guilty of less evil, you should tell Biden to let an actually viable candidate run instead
? He killed the
nordKeystone XL pipeline and revoked several permits for operating oil refineries and oil wells. He has done the most work towards curbing climate change of any president in US history. Are you trolling, misinformed, or a tankie?Edit:looked at your post history, you are all three. Congrats, you should run for third party. I hear brain worms are in right now.
I love when liberals tell blatant, easily disproven lies to pretend Biden isn’t a huge piece of shit. Have fun voting for your hair sniffing genocide boi :3
Lmao, it is a fact that I made an error. You could’ve pointed it out, but you didn’t even realize I made an error. You are completely and wholly misinformed. You have no idea what you are talking about.
It’s funny that you literally can’t debate anything I said because there was nothing there to debate. I posted facts. Enjoy your fiction. Have fun voting for Xi Poohbear though, hope that works out for you.
The only informed thing you posted was that the IDF is shit. You must’ve made a mistake, I can’t imagine you’d intentionally post something factual.
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Oof, add on illiterate. Thats an article that’s criticizing bidens policies. Because it’s written by someone like you. Too uneducated for their own good, and actively malicious, to boot. Would you like me to read it for you?
to pretend Biden isn’t a huge piece of shit
I don’t think anybody here is pretending he isn’t less than ideal, tbqh. We’re comparing two stooges and one of them is clearly not a fascist or orange. If you’re gonna accuse others of lying, the least you can do is be accurate and honest with your own speech.
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asked chat gpt to make a post claiming he’s not a piece of shit
I did? Or did I simply ask it to compile a list of policies from the web that were pro and against climate change efforts? Because it seems rather impartial about it overall. Or is there a specific aspect of it that bothers you besides Biden doing progressive things that you randomly label as liberal?
Or are you just unaware of how…
I’m unaware of whatever bullshit you’re on about. You have a huge list to debunk now but all I see is you deflecting and making shit up.
You either debunk it or you accept that you’re talking out your ass. You choose.
Watching tankies call people liberals is the most ironic shit I’ve ever seen. It’s like watching Captain Hook call someone a criminal.
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Just because I find your comments quite irksome, I took the liberty of compiling a list with the help of my friend ChatGPT and then reviewed them by hand:
Actions by Biden to curb environmental disasters:
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Rejoining the Paris Agreement (Jan 20, 2021): On his first day in office, President Biden rejoined the international Paris Agreement, reinstating the U.S.'s commitment to global climate action. https://www.state.gov/the-united-states-officially-rejoins-the-paris-agreement/
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American Jobs Plan (Proposed March 31, 2021): This plan included significant investments in clean energy, electric vehicle infrastructure, and climate resilience projects. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/03/31/fact-sheet-the-american-jobs-plan/
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Leaders Summit on Climate (April 22-23, 2021): Biden hosted this summit to rally global leaders to enhance their climate ambitions. https://www.state.gov/leaders-summit-on-climate/
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Methane Emission Reduction (Nov 2, 2021): EPA proposed rules to significantly cut methane emissions from the oil and gas industry. https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/biden-harris-administration-finalizes-standards-slash-methane-pollution-combat-climate
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Executive Order on Climate-Related Financial Risk (May 20, 2021): Directed federal agencies to address the financial risks of climate change. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/05/20/executive-order-on-climate-related-financial-risk/
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Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act (Nov 15, 2021): Included $65 billion for clean energy transmission and grid improvements. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrastructure_Investment_and_Jobs_Act
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Strengthening American Leadership in Clean Cars and Trucks (Dec 20, 2021): EPA finalized the strongest vehicle emission standards for light-duty vehicles for Model Years 2023-2026. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/08/05/executive-order-on-strengthening-american-leadership-in-clean-cars-and-trucks/
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National Heat Strategy (July 2023, honorable mention): Developed to help communities manage and improve resilience to extreme heat.
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Inflation Reduction Act (Aug 16, 2022): Included $369 billion for energy security and climate change programs, promoting renewable energy and energy efficiency. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_Reduction_Act
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Environmental Justice Executive Order (April 21, 2023): Aimed to improve the lives of communities disproportionately affected by pollution and climate change. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2023/04/21/executive-order-on-revitalizing-our-nations-commitment-to-environmental-justice-for-all/
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Offshore Wind Projects (Ongoing since 2021): Approved large-scale projects to boost offshore wind energy, aiming for 30 gigawatts by 2030. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/09/21/fact-sheet-biden-harris-administration-advances-offshore-wind-transmission-strengthens-regional-supply-chain-buildout-and-drives-innovation/
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Public Lands Conservation (Ongoing since 2021): The “America the Beautiful” initiative aims to conserve 30% of U.S. lands and waters by 2030. https://www.blm.gov/press-release/biden-harris-administration-finalizes-strategy-guide-balanced-management-conservation https://www.doi.gov/priorities/america-the-beautiful
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Paused Natural Gas Exports (Ongoing): Paused the export of liquefied natural gas (LNG) https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-hits-pause-approvals-liquified-natural-gas-exports-rcna135831 But was later reversed by a judge to allow them, potentially increasing global greenhouse gas emissions: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/01/climate/federal-judge-biden-gas-exports.html
Actions by Biden that may have worsened environmental disasters:
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Continued Fossil Fuel Leasing (2021-2022): Despite climate pledges, the Biden administration approved new oil and gas drilling leases on public lands and waters, raising concerns about increased emissions and environmental degradation. https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2023/09/29/biden-offshore-oil-drilling-climate/
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Controversial Pipeline Projects (2021): Approved certain pipeline projects like Line 3 in Minnesota, which faced criticism for potential environmental damage and contribution to fossil fuel dependence. https://www.transportation.gov/briefing-room/investing-america-biden-harris-administration-announces-18-billion-infrastructure
So as we can see, Biden has taken a few progressive actions for the environment. I don’t recall Clinton, Bush, Obama, or much less Trump ever having such a streak but I admit I haven’t looked much into it. However, the facts here speak for themselves.
Edit: Moved the LNG one to the top section since Biden did pause the greenhouse gas exports but a judge reversed the decision later, so it wasn’t an action by Joe directly although his intention was in line with his previous work.
It wasn’t important enough for you to write, or even to find a list someone else made, of which I know at least one that goes around on lemmy sometimes. Why would i check a list so clearly unimportant to you?
What’s so wrong about making another one, editing and manually adding sources? What part of that makes it not important to spend closer to 30-40 min on it? And what if I didn’t know another list exists? What if I’d rather make my own so you don’t have the bullshit excuse to dismiss it. Because now you got two lists to contend with.
And is it me who doesn’t care or are you projecting? Because it sounds like a copout from you.
Like I said, you’re irksome and I don’t mind doing it for that sole reason alone.
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you know you’re lying. You know i know you’re lying
Is he lying, though? Or is that just some talking point? I frankly find it quite irritating when people accuse me of a lie that may be ignorance, exaggeration, or whatever. I don’t know how @Sucubus feels about this but we all deserve more accurate insults than these cheap shots.
!nonvoters@lemmy.blahaj.zone is leaking
people should just pick themselves up by the bootstraps and work 18 hours a day to afford rent
18 hours each in three jobs
who is this is?
This is election
Sparta
Vote for that bag feels like too funny of a campaign line for the DNC to actually go through with it.
Sir, this is a Culver’s
When the majority gets more money companies raise prices and you feel poor anyway. Mass wage increase sounds nice in the short term but leads to all the inflation articles you’ve read recently. Money feeds up. This can be prevented by reduced demand for goods and services. As in, when you obtain disposable income you… Don’t dispose of it.
Energy, living costs it can’t be done. Necesities. But a lot of areas you can make real change by voting with your dollar. For example, if you don’t think the new iphone should cost 2 grand because that’s absurd then don’t validate the company’s plan by buying it. Reduced demand causes reduced price until we find a balance. That’s how this horrible evil capitalism is supposed to work.
One of the problems is we as consumers suck at voting. We want the new iphone. So a majority of us buy it anyway. On credit. And Apple raises the price next year becase “it worked last time”
Believes this argument, stagnates wages for decades
Prices go up anyway because corporate greed and infinite growth are the actual driving forces of inflation
Corporate greed is part of what I laid out. Inflation is complex and happens regardless. Certain things can have a larger impact on the rate of inflation. Introducing monetary supply in the form of wages or stimulus is one of those things. I’m all for higher wages. What I am trying to get across is that we also need to recognize the impact we have. Corporate greed exists. People want money. It makes sense. It is further driven by us having the money to take in the first place. If the product or service doesn’t get purchased the price lowers until it does and/or the business fails. All I am saying is we as consumers could do a better job being mindful of this. We don’t have very much control in this system, but we do have some. Of course we’re not united in this so it probably doesn’t matter. If you don’t buy the 2k phone your neighbor probably will.
Employees who live with rich parents are not part of the working class.
Retail and fast food jobs should be automated out of existence. The employees who remain should get paid $30 per hour and have three day work weeks, but they should have expectations to match and be on call to come in within a few hours at any time.
A retail employee who makes $15 per hour makes over $2,000 per month after deductions. If they live with their parents, all of that is disposable income.
This certainly is one of the takes of all time
If you work (actual work, not having dinner with other companies’ CEO) you are working class.
Even if you earn money through your salary, you are working class, even if that salary is 200k. There are people out there with literal billions of $. You already know the difference between a million and a billion, now watch the difference between a billion and 200k.
The problem is not your surgeon or boss or whatever, they all work 9-5 like you do, the problem is the yatch owners.
This election is about the easier to revolt against of two evils
