tl;dr: Having swap is a reasonably important part of a well functioning system. Without it, sane memory management becomes harder to achieve.

To be clear, I don’t blame the poster of this comment at all for the content of their post – this is accepted as “common knowledge” by a lot of Linux sysadmins and is probably one of the most likely things that you will hear from one if you ask them to talk about swap. It is unfortunately also, however, a misunderstanding of the purpose and use of swap, especially on modern systems.

  • DefederateLemmyMl@feddit.nlEnglish
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    5 months ago

    I run a lot of VMs; I typically run 2 at the same time in addition to running other programs in the background, my usecase is more eccentric than most users in the Linux space which is already pretty niche

    If what you’re doing involves using close to all of your system memory, it does make sense to add swap. So your use case is a good example actually.

    I also have an old Arch PC that I use to run various VMs on (currently 6 VMs in use). It does have a swapfile, but the most swap I’ve ever seen in use is about 1GB.

    I’m using BTRFS with LUKS-based Full Disk Encryption, the last time I used swapfiles with BTRFS with FDE it was in 2019 and it was painful to say the least, I rememeber spending several weeks scouring Stack and the Arch forums in order to get it to work properly.

    Weird. Sounds like you may have painted yourself a bit into a corner by using BTRFS then. I use trusty old ext4 on top of LUKS FDE, no issues with swapfiles whatsoever.

    That brings me to another downside of swap partitions: encryption. You can leak sensitive data through your swap partition, so it should be encrypted. If you use a plain partition, without LUKS in between, information in your swap is exposed. So you need to do more configuration to setup LUKS on your swap partition.

    If you use a swapfile on an already encrypted filesystem though, you don’t have to worry about it.

    when would I even want to resize swap for a single system

    Maybe your requirements change (e.g. “I want to be able to hibernate”), maybe your memory configuration changes, maybe you’ve underestimated or overestimated how much swap you need.

    Case in point: the Arch PC I mentioned above only uses upto 1GB of swap, but it has a 16GB swapfile. This discussion has brought to my attention that perhaps I should downsize the swapfile a bit and free up disk space.

    you don’t really want to depend on swap if can

    That is my position too. It’s always better to have a properly sized system, or limit what you push on an existing system. High swap usage rarely results in a good experience.