• Mrs_deWinter@feddit.org
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    Well, sounds like we should help Ukraine even more, since Russia’s idea of peace negotiations can be summed up as “lol just give up”.

    I mean surely that’s what you’re advocating for here, right? Better support for Ukraine to survive the war of aggression, which, as we established, is Russias fault and entirely reprehensible.

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      If you still don’t understand that the west lost this war, then you’re going to have a hard time grappling with the events in the near future.

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        Again, if I assume you’re a sane adult it still sound to me like you’re asking the west to do even more.

        Another way to read this would be if you’d claim the adequate response to fascist warfare is to instantly surrender and give the aggressor whatever they want - which would obviously completely ridiculous.

        So enlighten me, which one is it?

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          Any sane adult who is even minimally informed understands that the west cannot win this war. This was obvious to everybody with a functioning brain before the war started, and it’s beyond dispute now. Yet, we still have people like you running around needing more convincing.

          Another way to read this would be if you’d claim the adequate response to fascist warfare is to instantly surrender and give the aggressor whatever they want - which would obviously completely ridiculous.

          Yeah, just like countries had to surrender to western aggression for many decades because the west was stronger than them. Welcome to the real world you sweet summer child.

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            So what do you want Ukraine to do?

            It’s easy hiding behind passive-aggressive rhetoric. I’ve yet to see you actually argue in favor of anything.

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              You’re the only one hiding passive aggressive rhetoric here. The reality of the situation is that Ukraine has lost the war. Please explain to the class why you think more people dying is going to make the outcome better. I’m very interested to hear your rationale for that.

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                But what should they do? Like actually, right now?

                Seriously if you can’t even manage to formulate your opinion clearly there’s no point in taking you seriously. Either you already know how stupid your opinion is or you’re just trolling.

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                  Why should I decide what they should do exactly? That’s the business of people in Ukraine. I’m simply pointing out the basic facts of the situation. Ukraine has lost the war, and its position will continue to deteriorate with each and every day. If the war goes on long enough then there simply won’t be an Ukraine left. that’s the reality.

                  The only thing that’s stupid here is ignoring the elephant in the room and stomping your feet like a child in fact of reality. That’s trolling that’s getting people killed. If you genuinely believed what you spew here, then you would’ve signed up for the foreign legion instead of cheering for other people to die from the safety of your home like the cowardly troll that you are.

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                    You don’t have the guts to say it, do you? You want Ukraine to SURRENDER.

                    We have a word for people who kneel before fascists. How fortunate that such small-minded people don’t determine the fate of the world.