I think the last thing holding the Democrats to Israel as a whole was the whole “Don’t criticize Biden” environment we had going. Now that Harris is the candidate and she’s relatively unscathed by the issue the entire tenor has changed in the Israel war posts on Lemmy.
I just watched the video and it didn’t say she denounced the protesters, it said she was one of the officials who strongly condemned the graffiti, flag burning, and raising the Palestinian flag. Specifically those actions. Not the protesters themselves or the fact that they were protesting at all.
If your statement was based on that segment alone, then I would say you mischaracterized the situation in a way that makes Harris come off worse.
She skipped Netanyahu’s speech in protest and called for an end to the war afterwards.
“The images of dead children and desperate hungry people fleeing for safety, sometimes displaced for the second, third or fourth time. We cannot look away in the face of these tragedies. We cannot allow ourselves to become numb to the suffering and I will not be silent,” Harris said.
The reports [from Israeli media] appear to reflect worries among Netanyahu’s inner circle that the emergence of Harris as the presumptive Democrat presidential candidate might herald a tougher US line on the conduct of Israel’s war with Hamas.
I’m not in any way arguing that she’s doing everything right on this issue. I think she should go more strongly, although I can also acknowledge that someone at this level is walking a tightrope.
However, if anything, her choice to skip the speech in protest associates her with the protest going on outside, and so she went out of her way to separate herself from the actions at the protest that went too far.
You can argue over whether or not some protesters did go too far, or what else she could say and do that would actually help and be effective, I’m just asking for people to strive for accuracy when making claims. This is an important election, in which I genuinely believe that Harris winning the election will lead to a better outcome for Palestinians than any other outcome. I want to be vigilant about what she says but I also don’t want to look for some excuse to paint her with the same brush as everyone else and write her off.
She also met privately with Netanyahu after his speech. She’s definitely more aware of the electoral consequences of supporting genocide than Biden. That’s an improvement. But to me its all hollow gestures for now. Candy coating for the election that will get dissolve once in office.
None of the actions at the protest went too far. All this is just asking for “less genocide” instead of “no genocide” which I view as genocide apologia.
I wasn’t in anyway even trying to imply that these actions weren’t carried out by protesters. That wasn’t the point I was making. Can’t you see the difference between “I think it was wrong to do XYZ at the protest” and “I don’t think there should be a protest”?
I think the last thing holding the Democrats to Israel as a whole was the whole “Don’t criticize Biden” environment we had going. Now that Harris is the candidate and she’s relatively unscathed by the issue the entire tenor has changed in the Israel war posts on Lemmy.
I just heard on the news that she denounced the people protesting outside while their dictator was here. That was disappointing
https://youtu.be/PErYVXSTtkg?t=350&si=vPYjMeflWbks8ARM
Source?
It was mentioned tonight on the NBC nightly news. it was in this segment https://youtu.be/PErYVXSTtkg?t=350&si=vPYjMeflWbks8ARM
I see I am being down voted because people don’t like it. I didn’t like it either lol
I just watched the video and it didn’t say she denounced the protesters, it said she was one of the officials who strongly condemned the graffiti, flag burning, and raising the Palestinian flag. Specifically those actions. Not the protesters themselves or the fact that they were protesting at all.
If your statement was based on that segment alone, then I would say you mischaracterized the situation in a way that makes Harris come off worse.
Weasal words to associate the protestors with Hamas and antisemitism while ignoring the genocide they are protesting.
She skipped Netanyahu’s speech in protest and called for an end to the war afterwards.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/25/politics/harris-netanyahu-israel-hamas-ceasefire/index.html?cid=ios_app
I’m not in any way arguing that she’s doing everything right on this issue. I think she should go more strongly, although I can also acknowledge that someone at this level is walking a tightrope.
However, if anything, her choice to skip the speech in protest associates her with the protest going on outside, and so she went out of her way to separate herself from the actions at the protest that went too far.
You can argue over whether or not some protesters did go too far, or what else she could say and do that would actually help and be effective, I’m just asking for people to strive for accuracy when making claims. This is an important election, in which I genuinely believe that Harris winning the election will lead to a better outcome for Palestinians than any other outcome. I want to be vigilant about what she says but I also don’t want to look for some excuse to paint her with the same brush as everyone else and write her off.
She also met privately with Netanyahu after his speech. She’s definitely more aware of the electoral consequences of supporting genocide than Biden. That’s an improvement. But to me its all hollow gestures for now. Candy coating for the election that will get dissolve once in office.
None of the actions at the protest went too far. All this is just asking for “less genocide” instead of “no genocide” which I view as genocide apologia.
Was it not the protestors doing those things that she denounced though? I’m pretty sure it was.
In the article it said protestors were doing those things and she denounced it.
I wasn’t in anyway even trying to imply that these actions weren’t carried out by protesters. That wasn’t the point I was making. Can’t you see the difference between “I think it was wrong to do XYZ at the protest” and “I don’t think there should be a protest”?