Anti-nuclear power activism is a fossil fuel industry op.
Wow so dumb! Yes, fuck progress and fuck nuclear energy! Let’s burn coal again like in the dark ages!
Shutting down the nuclear plants is probably the worst thing the Germans have done. At least it’s in the top3.
Worse than… Literal genocide?
Genocide is def more evil, but the amount of coal and gas germans are burning will probably kill a lot more people.
Y’know, I think you’re off in terms of scale, but your point is valid. Coal is so extremely bad for people even outside of its impact on GHGs.
That was sort of an asshole comment if we’re being honest with each other. We’re here talking about climate change, not WW2.
Germany’s history doesn’t just consist of: “It was founded, they built nuclear plants, then they shut them down and ran coal”
Sure, so when there’s an article about Japan’s population declining do you comment insightful things about them getting nuked? You sound like a wanna-be edgy 16 year old twat.
Still a low blow.
I mean, from a climat perspective …
Fun fact: Coal Ash Is More Radioactive Than Nuclear Waste
No it isn’t and it will never be. Doesn’t matter how many time you repeat that lie.
The actual fact (very clearly told in the studies that are then brought up to justify the rediculous claim) is: Coal power plants 60 years ago (that’s how old the study is) spread more radioactivity via fly ash, then escapes through the massive concrete walls of a running reactor. That’s it. No mention of actual waste or anything else.
So coal power is more radioactive than nuclear power only if nuclear power would not create any waste at all and also not contaminate anything that has to be build back and cared for. So basically in a computer game where we you just click on it to remove it from your map, not in any reality.
Seriously has anyone actually read the shit you parrot or is there really a fundamental lack of ability to read beyond clickbait headlines?
PS: Also that radioactivity by fly-ash is based on the natural radioactity contained in earth and stone. Can you imagine the difference in radiation spread by you compared to the world around you? Yeah, there is none… with very small variations by which layer of earth you look at.
So basically you can also pretend that picking up a rock and throwing it at your head is me radiating my surroundings…
Actually that isn’t even true. Because decades of nuclear testing has actual incresed the radiation in our natural surroundings, so layers of earth buried for quite some time actually contain lower radiation. If they had done the same study just two decades later then that fly-ash would not even have registered against the normal radiation level around us.
I really want to give you an updoot, but… could you please cite sources?
Here is a source from the IAEA.
https://inis.iaea.org/collection/NCLCollectionStore/_Public/43/035/43035329.pdf
In fact, the fly ash emitted from burning coal for electricity by a power plant, carries into the surrounding environment, 100 times more radiation than a nuclear power plant producing the same amount of energy.
You could have clicked the link above and read it yourself (for example here). It’s about a study from 1978 with data often much older from plants in Tenessee and Alabama (known for their magnicicient regulations, especially at that time *cough*)
To quote from that article:
“The result: estimated radiation doses ingested by people living near the coal plants were equal to or higher than doses for people living around the nuclear facilities.”
"Dana Christensen, associate lab director for energy and engineering at ORNL, says that health risks from radiation in coal by-products are low. “Other risks like being hit by lightning,” he adds, “are three or four times greater than radiation-induced health effects from coal plants.”
“According to USGS calculations, buying a house in a stack shadow—in this case within 0.6 mile [one kilometer] of a coal plant—increases the annual amount of radiation you’re exposed to by a maximum of 5 percent. But that’s still less than the radiation encountered in normal yearly exposure to X-rays.”
You will not find any mention of nuclear waste in there because the actual only number they used in that study is radiation living next to running nuclear power plant… as a base line to compare against.
EDIT: As for the increasing levels of radiation. The UN has a lot to say about that:
“The main man-made contribution to the exposure of the world’s population has come from the testing of nuclear weapons in the atmosphere, from 1945 to 1980. Each nuclear test resulted
in unrestrained release into the environment of substantial quantities of radioactive materials, which were widely dispersed in the atmosphere and deposited everywhere on
the Earth’s surface”Yes… here we can actually talk about nuclear waste. It’s still less harmful then nuclear testing was.
The good thing about nuclear waste, is you aren’t breathing it in. You can just bury it and kinda forget about it.
The most radioactive stuff decays quickly, so it won’t be dangerous for generations to come. The less radioactive stuff can last millions of years, but the amount of radiation it creates is too small to be harmful (with the proper precautions).
Quickly is around 100 000 years. Konrad mine, Asse II mine, WIPP are here to remind that it is not simple.
The engineers who say there is no risk are the same ones who recommended dumping nuclear waste into the sea in the 1960s and 1970s.
I was thinking more like 30 years. With a 100 000 years half-life, the radiation amount should be small enough not to be a problem.
www.iarc.who.int/news-events/cancer-mortality-after-low-dose-exposure-to-ionising-radiation-in-workers-in-france-the-united-kingdom-and-the-united-states-inworks-cohort-study/
In that top three is also my previous Audi A6
Cool cool cool. I love the environment, unless it’s too expensive.
And another thread of “oh no! they fuck the environment and us all” when the reality is the lowest coal use in Germany for decades. With a hike in reduction the moment these shitty nuclear reactors providing basically nothing (>2% in the months they were still running) but getting renewable energy shut down were finally gone
Reactivating coal power plants for winter in case they should be needed is not the same as actually burning coal. Not that any of your favorite propagandists would ever tell you that secret.
It takes month to start a coal power plant, so you hace to always keep it on even if you don’t need power. Do you know how they keep it on? By burning coal.
Do you understand how coal power plants work?
Do you understand how reality works? You know this strange thing were coal usage in Germany is going down constantly while everyone is screaming at the top of their lungs how Germany is burning more coal?
They’re playing the long game, at this rate they’ll soon have no winter to worry about, it will be 25°C in the winter and there’s no heating needed so no more energy demand spikes! /S
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There is no one to blame but Putin.
This is an emergency procedure due to Russia’s invasion in Ukraine. Without the invasion, the backup coal plants would just stay backup. As coal plants need weeks to start up, they cannot just be turned on when needed. They need to be turned on early and likely run with low power through the winter, just in case they might be needed. This is bad too. This is due to Putin’s war.
It’s silly to make connections to the 1986 & 2011 nuclear exit, when the cause for this short-term measure is a recent event. Without Russia invading Ukraine, the coal plants would stay off.
Tbf Germany is also very much in fault at failing to build nuclear power plants and fueling anti nuclear sentiment among their population.
Putin isn’t to blame for decades of terrible energy politics and Germany becoming depended on Russian energy even though everybody told us it was a bad idea.
It wasn’t Putin who bombed Nordstream nor was it Putin who decided to make Germany completely forget the principle of energy independence. Germany fucked themselves and now people are looking for excuses.
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Does anyone know of a Lemmy instance that blocks obvious Russian propaganda like this?
Edit to say: This guy moderates 3 forums!
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Germany made this bed with Russia intentionally. Now they have to sleep in it. Trump dunked on them at the time for it: https://youtu.be/9LLZBVTid4I?si=VSB156ePNHI61R8c
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Makes sense.
I’m sure they’ll go on improving to avoid such band-aids dependent on coal or Russian gas.
Meanwhile in my country, coal be like breakfast cereal. I have moved to a 100% renewable area though. Can’t even get a gas stove 👍
coal be like breakfast cereal
I’m struggling to understand this metaphor
The thing is that even with 100% renewables you still need to have thermal power stations.
Right now it’s coal but I hopefully the German will be able to switch to biomass or hydrogen stations.
Which country?
Australia.
Where the coal comes from and what your country does with it ain’t our problem. We’ll even discount you if you’re going through it quick enough.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
BERLIN, Oct 4 (Reuters) - Germany’s cabinet on Wednesday approved putting on-reserve lignite-fired power plants back online from October until the end of March 2024, the economy ministry said, as a step to replace scarce natural gas this winter and avoid shortages.
In the wake of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and a sudden drop in Russian gas imports to Germany, Berlin reactivated coal-fired power plants and extended their lifespans, with a total output of 1.9 gigawatt hours generated last winter.
Despite gas bottlenecks easing since last winter with new liquefied natural gas (LNG) terminal deliveries, coal-fired power plans will be reactivated and the government will make proposals by summer next year on how to offset increased carbon dioxide these plants will generate this winter.
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