• PugJesus@lemmy.worldOP
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    4 months ago

    I’ve seen guys who had no business even being in human society getting dates. Not sure “Women expect too much of men” is the issue here.

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      4 months ago

      Women do most of the raising of children. Is it more likely that women raise their boys in a way they know will make them undesirable as an adult, or is it more likely that they push their daughters to do better and unintentionally raise their standards too high?

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        4 months ago

        Standards of toxic masculinity are very often upheld by women as much as men. Growing up, one is told “Boys don’t cry” by mothers as well as fathers, and then mothers wonder why their husbands are emotionally closed off.

        Society is broken. Less broken than it used to be, maybe, but still broken.

      • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        i think its more that we focus more on women currently than we do men, and have been for at least 50 years. It was less of a problem due to the way the older social dynamic went, but as that’s shifted int he last 20 years, it’s gotten worse and worse over time, and now we have people like andrew tate who are the vultures of this problem.