I think a little clarification is needed. No. I don’t actually think everyone there is insane. I don’t care about the bans so stop trying to use that. HB enthusiasts coming here and trying to call me out achieves nothing besides proving my point

Edit: Feel free to keep trying to brigade me. It’s not going to scare me to take this down

  • 14th_cylon@lemm.ee
    43·
    2 months ago

    As it’s always been, they cope with the horrible events with satirical, sarcastic humor. And, in the middle of that will be a well-reasoned, nuanced, and quite serious post.

    Oh yes, they are so funny, misunderstood, thoughtful and nuanced thinkers.

    F them and f you for defending them.

    This ~1800 comment thread about whether lemm.ee should defederate with them is all you need for some eye opening, in case anyone needs that.

    https://lemm.ee/post/4543536

    Above screenshot is from said thread.

    The comrade in it actually suggests that there is a time and place for such rhetoric, it is just not right here, right now. you have to think politically and wait for your moment!

    • SirDerpy@lemmy.world
      19·
      2 months ago

      Yes, please read what the .ee admin says about where the bigoted users originate and the actions of the hexbear mods in response. It certainly speaks for itself.

      • 14th_cylon@lemm.ee
        4·
        2 months ago

        Perhaps now is the time.

        No, Time for condoning class war and murder is never and nowhere.

        Go back to hexbear, you poor, uneducated, lying, bolshevik piece of shit.

        But thank you for showing anyone who may have not had an experience with you before what type of people you are.

        One can always count on that, you morons just can’t help yourself.

      • michaelmrose@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4·
        2 months ago

        Your portrayal of them just being made into regular peasants seems to me viewing the whole affair with more than rose colored glasses.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dekulakization

        All kulaks were assigned to one of three categories:[4]
        Those to be shot or imprisoned as decided by the local secret political police. Those to be sent to Siberia, the North, the Urals, or Kazakhstan, after confiscation of their property. Those to be evicted from their houses and used in labour colonies within their own districts.

        By most people’s reckoning in most of planet earth they stole the lawfully earned property of kulaks and either murdered them or otherwise destroyed their lives. Treating them worse than most developed nations treat burglars and thieves.

        If someone shot your grandpa and your uncle, send half your people to Siberia to die out there, and sent the other half to prison locally of course you would flee with whatever you could carry and of course you would at that point be an enemy of the regime that destroyed your life.

        So if the original commenter’s great grandparents were kulaks who “suffered at the hands of the soviet union,” they deserved it.

        I don’t understand your justification for what is ultimately pretty horrific treatment foisted on people ultimately just participating lawfully in society up until that point.

          • michaelmrose@lemmy.worldEnglish
            3·
            2 months ago

            America didn’t go from legally sanctioning a behavior to murdering the people today who were behaving lawfully yesterday even if they were immoral fucks. If you don’t understand that then you don’t understand how normal societies run.

      • FlorianSimon@sh.itjust.works
        3·
        2 months ago

        🤭

        You guys don’t even hide it anymore. You’re openly advocating for brutal police regimes. The jokes write themselves. Convenient.

          • FlorianSimon@sh.itjust.works
            3·
            2 months ago

            I acknowledge that. But what “struggle” means is not an unimportant detail. And I disagree with the Stalinist approach viscerally, and it isn’t in accordance with leftist values by any stretch of the imagination.

        • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
          2·
          2 months ago

          You don’t get to call directing state power against the petite bourgeoisie a brutal police regime when your government is supporting the most brutal dictatorships in Africa, whose violence is directed at the working class.

          • FlorianSimon@sh.itjust.works
            2·
            2 months ago

            Yeah I get to do that, because that’s what happened factually, sorry. No amount of whataboutism will change that. I don’t care about Western imperialists, fuck them too.

            • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
              4·
              2 months ago

              The vital context is wielding state power against internal threats. Which literally every state must do to continue to exist. It’s not whataboutism to point out that the state you currently live in is currently doing far worse, for far worse reasons in a context where your criticism can only be used for anticommunism.

              Would you say it’s constructive for an Israeli to be critical of gay rights in Palestine? Of course not, because divorced of context, it only carries water for imperialism

              • FlorianSimon@sh.itjust.works
                2·
                2 months ago

                The problem is the violence of the totalitarian regimes you defend harms innocents too, which is why serious communists shouldn’t advocate for that kind of power abuse any more than they should advocate for Western imperialism. It’s not that hard.

                • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
                  2·
                  2 months ago

                  Nobody is advocating power abuse. One of the books I try to get people to read, Life and Terror in Stalin’s Russia contextualizes the scale of and how such abuses occurred in a much more useful criticism than “communism bad Stalin evil, that’s why you can’t ever do anything about rightists organizing against the state”.

                  A good accompaniment to illustrate what it looks like and what the consequences are when the left fails to take appropriate action once in power is The Jakarta Method

                  • FlorianSimon@sh.itjust.works
                    1·
                    2 months ago

                    That’s precisely the extent of my criticism. Understanding stalinism instead of just demonizing it is a good thing, if only to avoid repeating the same mistakes. But the end doesn’t justify the means. Apologism is not OK.

                    It’s OK to take a stance against power abuses, and vital to denounce them if you consider yourself a leftist.