I don’t care what you do, I am talking about the hypocrisy in your statements.
You did it again here, both saying you don’t give a shit but also are committed to supporting animal rights.
You started this by blaming vegans for reducing interest in animal rights, surely a projection of how you feel onto society. Thats your excuse for not learning more about veganism or trying it out. You already know enough right?
Go ahead and explain how you sending money to groups trying to convince slaughterhouses to use humane methods is helping?
What does help is that veganism is simply about reducing harm, and that it tends to have benefits for personal health, environment, and for animals.
But you can stick with your “if only we murdered them more politely things would be fine” line and see how much that helps.
You started this by blaming vegans for reducing interest in animal rights, surely a projection of how you feel onto society.
Nope, that’s literally just what has happened.
Consider the fucking argument, consider how widely unpopular you are.
Veganism will never be the global majority, you’re delusional to think you’re supporting animal rights if you are so vehemently against enforcing better conditions in captivity. Vegans drew the line: “Animal rights activists shouldn’t want animal rights in captivity.” That’s why we are where we are today, that’s why factory farms have gotten worse and worse.
…your excuse for not learning more about veganism or trying it…
You can literally enforce better conditions in farms, making factory farming practices illegal, and it’s possible we could’ve had the support required to make it happen.
If you amend your messaging and behavior even a little bit, it might still be possible.
How would we do that without dramatically reducing the amount of meat being produced?
As for the support, it sounds like you are blaming vegans for factory farmers actions. If they want to do things more humanely they are free to do it.
Its a waste of time in my opinion, and its hypocritical to be an animal activist who eats animals.
We can have a conversation about the ethical slaughterhouse in your mind but I guarantee you we will not agree on what is ethical treatment of an animal if thats the case.
Why do factory farms use outdated slaughter techniques in the first place? Production quantity comes first. They will not reduce their capacity to produce meat just to make the animals lives better.
Where’s the evidence that your idea is any better than mine anyways?
I can’t predict the future if thats what you mean.
Theres plenty of evidence that reducing meat production where possible will help everyone. Theres plenty of evidence that at least a mostly plant based diet is better for personal health for most people.
Less animals suffering is a plus too but you could leave it out and still come to the conclusion that there is something behind plant based and partially plant based diets.
Less animals suffering is a plus too but you could leave it out and still come to the conclusion that there is something behind plant based and partially plant based diets.
this is a nonsequitur. my guess is you have tried plant based diet, and the amount of animal slaughter has only increased:
chart
I never claimed that me being a vegan would end animal suffering.
If you would admit that the line on your graph would go up quicker if all vegetarians and vegans went back to eating meat, then you have to also admit it would go up slower if more people went vegan, vegetarian, or simply ate 25% less meat than they normally do.
You must be able to see the math there? Do I need to send you university debate level arguments? I can find them for you if you want.
I don’t care what you do, I am talking about the hypocrisy in your statements.
You did it again here, both saying you don’t give a shit but also are committed to supporting animal rights.
You started this by blaming vegans for reducing interest in animal rights, surely a projection of how you feel onto society. Thats your excuse for not learning more about veganism or trying it out. You already know enough right?
Go ahead and explain how you sending money to groups trying to convince slaughterhouses to use humane methods is helping?
What does help is that veganism is simply about reducing harm, and that it tends to have benefits for personal health, environment, and for animals.
But you can stick with your “if only we murdered them more politely things would be fine” line and see how much that helps.
Nope, that’s literally just what has happened.
Consider the fucking argument, consider how widely unpopular you are.
Veganism will never be the global majority, you’re delusional to think you’re supporting animal rights if you are so vehemently against enforcing better conditions in captivity. Vegans drew the line: “Animal rights activists shouldn’t want animal rights in captivity.” That’s why we are where we are today, that’s why factory farms have gotten worse and worse.
Fuck you.
Factory farms won’t get better until demand reduces.
Got any great ideas to make factory farms more humane that won’t slow down production of meat? Is the demand going up or down over time?
Of course the answer can’t be reducing meat consumption in general, right? Dont have to be vegan to eat less meat do you now?
You can literally enforce better conditions in farms, making factory farming practices illegal, and it’s possible we could’ve had the support required to make it happen.
If you amend your messaging and behavior even a little bit, it might still be possible.
How would we do that without dramatically reducing the amount of meat being produced?
As for the support, it sounds like you are blaming vegans for factory farmers actions. If they want to do things more humanely they are free to do it.
Its a waste of time in my opinion, and its hypocritical to be an animal activist who eats animals.
We can have a conversation about the ethical slaughterhouse in your mind but I guarantee you we will not agree on what is ethical treatment of an animal if thats the case.
maybe you can’t, but it seems like you think that would be a good outcome.
Whats wrong with reducing meat production?
i didn’t say there is anything wrong with it. and if their plan (increased welfare standards) leads to that, i would think you would support it.
Well, one plan involves convincing western politicians and the companies that pay for them, to self regulate. The other involves personal choice.
So I guess I chose the easy one.
Also vegans do participate in animal activism of course. They just won’t argue for better ways to slaughter animals.
I don’t believe you have any proof of this. there is no mechanism by which reducing demand would improve factory farms.
Why do factory farms use outdated slaughter techniques in the first place? Production quantity comes first. They will not reduce their capacity to produce meat just to make the animals lives better.
Where’s the evidence that your idea is any better than mine anyways?
i didn’t present any other idea. i said you don’t have any evidence your idea holds water.
I can’t predict the future if thats what you mean.
Theres plenty of evidence that reducing meat production where possible will help everyone. Theres plenty of evidence that at least a mostly plant based diet is better for personal health for most people.
Less animals suffering is a plus too but you could leave it out and still come to the conclusion that there is something behind plant based and partially plant based diets.
this is a nonsequitur. my guess is you have tried plant based diet, and the amount of animal slaughter has only increased: chart
We’ve had this argument like twice already.
I never claimed that me being a vegan would end animal suffering.
If you would admit that the line on your graph would go up quicker if all vegetarians and vegans went back to eating meat, then you have to also admit it would go up slower if more people went vegan, vegetarian, or simply ate 25% less meat than they normally do.
You must be able to see the math there? Do I need to send you university debate level arguments? I can find them for you if you want.
this is a different claim than you made before
What claim did I make before?