Her statement:
I think she makes a good point. She’s not telling us not to vote for kamala. She’s saying we shouldn’t only have these two options and to campaign for actual better people and change public opinion the other days of the year. But in the end, we really only have two choices and voting for Harris is the most damage control we can do.
I think it’s kind of strange people think Harris wants to be associated with this Genocide. If it were that black-and-white, she clearly would’ve taken a harder position.
But if she does, then the larger Israeli-sympathetic Jewish voting bloc in PA that dwarfs the Muslim vote in Michigan (with less Electoral votes, mind you) gets jeopardized. If she doesn’t toe the line, she loses, Trump wins, and Gazans are definitely fucked.
Like it’s completely obvious why she has to have this position, lest she’s immediately cast as antisemitic.
Well it’s being actively used against the democrats. Bibi met with Trump and needed little encouragement to keep his genocide going till election day, to make the democrats look bad.
I agree but it’s damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
They’re trying to negotiate a ceasefire; they’re trying to get aid into Gaza.
The problem with withholding large amounts of aid is the antisemitic attack ads will have more bite, AIPAC as the most powerful lobbyist will go crazy, and there’s a non-zero chance Bibi stages a false flag attack to paint Democrats as leaving them defenseless.
Polling indicates that she would certainly get significant gains in Michigan and Pennsylvania, along with all the other swing states. So I doubt polling is her reason for her stance on Israel and Conditional Military Aid
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Our first matchup tested a Democrat and a Republican who “both agree with Israel’s current approach to the conflict in Gaza”. In this case, the generic candidates tied 44–44. The second matchup saw the same Republican facing a Democrat supporting “an immediate ceasefire and a halt of military aid and arms sales to Israel”. Interestingly, the Democrat led 49–43, with Independents and 2020 non-voters driving the bulk of this shift.
- Split Ticket (July 2024)
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In Pennsylvania, 34% of respondents said they would be more likely to vote for the Democratic nominee if the nominee vowed to withhold weapons to Israel, compared to 7% who said they would be less likely. The rest said it would make no difference. In Arizona, 35% said they’d be more likely, while 5% would be less likely. And in Georgia, 39% said they’d be more likely, also compared to 5% who would be less likely.
- New Poll Suggests Gaza Ceasefire and Arms Embargo Would Help Dems with Swing State Voters (Full YouGov Report) (May 2024)
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- Data For Progress Poll (May 2024)
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Majorities of Democrats (67%) and Independents (55%) believe the US should either end support for Israel’s war effort or make that support conditional on a ceasefire. Only 8% of Democrats but 42% of Republicans think the US must support Israel unconditionally.
Republicans and Independents most often point to immigration as one of Biden’s top foreign policy failures. Democrats most often select the US response to the war in Gaza.
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The most substantive quote you have is a blatant editorializing by Zateo of the YouGov data. Nowhere does the polling datasay “withholding all aid.” Conditioning Aid != Withholding Aid, which implies all aid. If we’re going down this path, then Biden has already withheld some aid to Israel. And when he did, there was a massive backlash.
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Moreover all of these studies are many months old and thus subject to drastic changes since the likes of May. Moreover they don’t factor in the blow-back effect of withholding aid and the risk of there being a false flag on Israeli soil and how that would be portrayed against Democrats. Moreover it does not reflect the attack ads that would be used in battleground states with further bite by the GOP if Harris/Biden did this.
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Further aid has also been conditioned on aid surges into Israel. Israel as expected is falling short half-way through the 30-day ultimatum.
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Biden and Harris have repeatedly sought a permanent ceasefire solution; Trump by contrast reached out to Bibi to undermine said ceasefire negotiation. Both sides obviously deny this call because it would be blatantly illegal and undermining in public optics, but we know this is par for the course for both of them. It is in the interest of both Trump and Bibi to deny the ceasefire in order to make Biden/Harris look bad through the election.
The zateo article never says ‘withholding all aid,’ it’s completely congruent with the YouGov data which I also linked. It says ‘withhold weapons’ in the context of Conditional Military Aid, which is where weapon shipments are withheld as long as Israel violates International Humanitarian Law, which they are.
We, the US, are also continuing to violate International Humanitarian Law, as well as the Leahy Law, by continuing to send weapons unconditionally.
It was a single shipment, all others were not paused. Plus they continued with that single shipment anyway, regardless of the war crimes. Who gave the backlash? It certainly wasn’t the American public. It was Netanyahu and other members of the Israeli Government, who are currently committing genocide.
November is not ‘many months old.’
Also, 51% of Jewish Americans Support Withhold Arms Shipments to Israel. Painting the Democrats decisions to continue unconditional aid as if it’s in the best interest of the majority of Jewish Americans is untrue. Judaism is not Zionism.
Blowback is the violent retaliation that happens after repeatedly attacking Civilian populations with overwhelming force. Continuing to send billions worth of weapons unconditionally for a genocide certainly isn’t helping prevent blowback.
30 days after acknowledging that Israel has committed violations of international humanitarian law and is withholding aid to a starving population is insane, especially since it places the window until after the election when people want to see a change now. Those people can’t wait 30 days. The US basically gave Israel a 30-day window to continue violating International Humanitarian Law and starving millions of people before even the semblance of consequences. And it isn’t conditional aid, it’s ‘possible consequences’ while the Administration simultaneously said that the warning was 'not met as a threat. ’
Rhetoric is not action. The actions of the Biden Administration have certainly not been in favor of a permanent ceasefire.
The rhetoric coming out of the White House, when it has been focused on peace or restraint, rather than continuous war, has been undercut at every turn by its actions. The constant supply of weapons — $17.9 billion of bullets, bombs, shells, and other military aid in the past year — has allowed Israel to keep waging its war on Gaza, and in recent weeks, expand that war to Lebanon and threaten to escalate its conflict with Iran. Despite documentation of U.S. weapons being used in probable war crimes, and credible allegations that Israel is committing genocide in its war on Gaza, the bombs have continued to flow.
One Year of Empty Rhetoric From the White House on Israel’s Wars
Obviously Trump is significantly worse. I’ve never once told people to vote for Trump. Literally the opposite, I’ve only expressed that people should vote for Harris despite the Democratic Administrations unconditional support for this genocide. I will continue to criticize them for it until they change course.
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Wow, Greta uses her recognition to point out the whole thing is a mess and there’s no great choices, and more importantly it’s up to people to not quit after their vote and actively and continuously push for change…
And already there’s posters making fun of her. Maybe they just read the headline and not the full text…as per internet tradition.
And US politics has become a team sport.
There’s always been a polarity even at the start. Smaller one issue groups would end up merging with one of the major ones. It has gotten far worse though, ironically in the age of information where people should be able to discuss and learn about topics better. I think we broke something.
Well she’s pretty much wasted her influence here.
Very few people care enough to read her nuanced opinion, and those people will be democrat voters anyway.
To anyone that needed to hear her message she just said “both sides are shit right now, and everyone’s shit is emotional right now”.
Elections are lost with complex messaging.
Gretas problem generally is that she looks great to intelligent progressive young activists, but she just makes everyone else feel… chagrined I guess. What I mean is that she’s incapable of changing the opinions of the people who need to change their opinions.
Maybe she disagrees with “who needs their opinions changed”.
Great.
She’s not reaching any of those people. She’s handing out candy to fat kids who think she’s amazing
And now democrats hate Greta Thunberg, blame everything on Russia and love Liz Cheney.
Anyone notice a pattern?
- Greta: what? What are you talking about? Neolibs: sure, they hate her. Most reasonable, intelligent leftists? They’re basically cheering her on, myself included.
- Russia: not everything, but the fact that the guy running Russia - who not only orchestrated false flag attacks on his own country to help get into power, but also was a KGB agent who worked very closely with the GDR’s Stasi in the late Cold War - is and has been using the Russian foreign intelligence apparatuses to conduct extremely aggressive foreign influence and espionage campaigns for DECADES should not come as a surprise.
- Liz Cheney: I and many other leftists categorically detest her politics. But the reason I still respect her to a degree is that she’s come out staunchly against fascism, and it cost her her whole political career to do it. I will always respect someone who stands against fascism, even when it costs them ENORMOUSLY in a personal and professional sense.
There’s nuance here, and you’re intentionally ignoring it.
Thank you Greta for pointing out what a toxic influence Americans are. They have created disasters everywhere they go. Fuck the British as well.
Not helping, Greta.
to everyone downvoting this…look in the fucking mirror.
If liberals had any self awareness they’d be democratic socialists.
Is the US uniquely racist compared to the rest of the world? I feel that answer is no, while also knowing that this place is fucked up at times.
It just tells you how fucked up the rest of the world is.
Greta was very passionate and convincing as a teenager pleading for action on climate change. She’s not very educated beyond this
Gee thanks Greta, that’s what we need right now. We are all aware and disappointed with our options.
Here’s a lil’ secret for ya: Affecting change requires you to apply continued pressure. Only when single voices become a chorus will the powerful listen. So yes, Greta is saying what
we allyou already knew. But that’s a good thing. The more say it, the bigger the pressure.Greta saying it means it on longer has any traction.
She’s a harbinger of the rich doing nothing about a problem.
The rich do nothing about a problem by default.
Well you can’t take the effect and make it the cause
Here’s a better secret for ya: start screaming like hell after Harris gets elected, giving us 4 more years to figure out how to get rid of trump before he runs again in 2028.
Pressure is only good when it’s applied appropriately, otherwise you crush it.
Trump isn’t going to make it to 2028. I’ll be surprised if he lives to see 2026.
His dad lived to 93, so that’s 15 more years for trump.
Thanks child of billionaires for telling everyone what they already knew!
This a new conspiracy theory to me. Greta Thunberg’s parents, a moderately successful opera singer and non-Hollywood actor, are billionaires? I’d be surprised if they were worth a million, let alone a billion.
Average people can’t afford 60ft high-tech yachts.
That’s Billionaire territory, though I guess they could ‘only’ be worth hundreds of millions.
Even ‘millionaires’ can’t afford Yachts.
For fun, I went and investigated this, and learned a lot! Greta refuses to fly, citing the emissions caused by air travel, so she goes by boat instead. She crossed the Atlantic on the Malizia II, a racing yacht that sounds like a miserable time because it doesn’t have basic facilities like a toilet. She was taken across by Boris Herrmann of team Malizia, who (as you might guess) race the boat. Neither she nor her parents own it.
She’s also crossed on La Vagabonde, known for its Youtube channel where its owners, as far as I can tell, just kind of sail around. The owners don’t resemble her parents, either.
I also found a particularly bizzare claim including a notably doctored picture that she was “caught” on a yacht with Leonardo DiCaprio. Even that one doesn’t claim her family owns it.
I legitimately can’t even find a fake news site that makes the claim you’re making. Did you make it up whole cloth? To what end? What relevance would it even have to the topic? Is the idea that “big green energy” is coming for oil companies, and her family made their money off of green energy, and the entire purpose of her activism is to be part of big green energy’s master plan to take over big oil?
