“It should come as no great surprise that a Democratic Party which has abandoned working class people would find that the working class has abandoned them,” Sanders said.

“First, it was the white working class, and now it is Latino and Black workers as well. While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change. And they’re right.”

“Will the big money interests and well-paid consultants who control the Democratic Party learn any real lessons from this disastrous campaign?” Sanders asked.

“Will they understand the pain and political alienation that tens of millions of Americans are experiencing? Do they have any ideas as to how we can take on the increasingly powerful Oligarchy which has so much economic and political power? Probably not.”

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    I would vote for Bernie in a heartbeat.

    He seems to always be on the right side of history, he understands the root causes of our national crises, and he has solutions.

    Problem: Two-party system, voter apathy.

    Solution: Ranked choice voting, remove electoral college (popular vote interstate compact).

    Problem: Bought elections.

    Solution: Repeal Citizens United.

    Problem: Federal deficit spending.

    Solution: Reform government contracts with private corpos so we’re not getting gouged. Repurpose military budget. Tax the rich.

    Problem: Ignorant and misinformed voting population.

    Solution: More school funding, pay teachers more.

    Problem: All surplus value is siphoned away from the working class.

    Solution: Tax incentives for employee-owned companies. More support for unions.

    Problem: Consumer price gouging.

    Solution: Break up monopolies, punish anti-competitive behavior.

    Problem: Irresponsible banking.

    Solution: Un-repeal Glass-Steagall.

    Problem: Expensive healthcare.

    Solution: Universal healthcare. Don’t even try to tell me we can’t afford it.

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      None of that stuff is going to happen, unfortunately, not while the Rs control everything. And it’s not official but it looks like they’re going to win the house too. So they’re going to run buckshot on this country with no one to stop them. They’ll control all 3 branches.

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        None of it happened while Ds had any modicum of control either. Bernie represents what the democratic party should be, not what it is and has been. They pivoted hard to the status quo and we are footing the bill.

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          I honestly feel like this must be how partys flip. The Democrats are the Republicans of the seventies, the new conservative party.

          Now, I’ll be the first to admit that the Republican party hasn’t exactly moved left, and is the biggest hole in my theory. Who knows maybe this populism will pave a path forward for them.

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            The Republican party has moved left in rhetoric. The promise to fix everything and put America first. Create all the jobs. The best economy!

            The will not do it. But that is irrelevant.

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        not while the Rs control everything

        Uh, Bernie was blocked by the democrats, not the republicans.

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      Hey I just wanted to say that this is a great post. It really shows how little Hilary, Biden, and now Harris brought to the table

      It’s crazy how the DNC only wants to appeal to moderates, and Republicans cross the aisle, after witnessing how Trump performs

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        I think ranked choice voting and the popular vote interstate compact can happen at the state level. Just needs more local campaigning.

        Then people would feel more empowered to vote for who they really want. I think that would be a big push towards nominating an actual progressive candidate.

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      Considering multiple blue states just voted against RCV, and the majority of the country voted to put even more ultra-conservative SCOTUS judges on the court, I’m not sure he is on the right side of history.

      History is being written right now, soon to be dictated by Donald Trump, and recorded through the lens of Donald Trump. What will the fascist schoolbooks written by the Texas board of education say to remember the people who stood up against Trump?

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    We don’t deserve Bernie. He’s to pure to be infected by being president. With that said, I’d give my left nut to see Bernie in the oval office

    The typo is staying just to annoy you grammar nazis. I know the difference in to, too, two. You can suck our collective too nuts

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    This man has always cooked. I wish Dems had the ball to let him have the ticket both times he was snubbed despite cooking what needed to cooked.

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          At least this one will get everyone education, healthcare, housing, welfare and public transport.

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      We have a nascent left-wing movement in the local governments of many cities. It’s loose and relatively unorganized but it’s more than we’ve had in decades. Bernie’s run in 2016 has a lot to do with that.

      Our primary election turnout is abysmal, and Americans need to realize that the primaries are how the parties get reformed. Maybe the Democratic Party will have its Tea Party moment in 2026.

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    Had Trump won in 2020, he’d have taken the fall for the Recession and Hyperinflation and it would have caused a 2008 effect. Populist Wave haulted, strangled in it’s crib by Coronachan.

    Had Trump won in 2020, he’d be done now and his VP would still be the democracy respecting Pence.

    Trump when elected in 2016 had no major plan and mostly left the employees of the state intact, and in 2020 the change was minimal. Now there’s a full blown scheme to control the government

    In 2020 they didn’t know how much they could get away with. They’ve seen the limits now.

    Winning in 2020 means no January 6th shattering the overton window and leading SCOTUS to some interesting choices about power.

    2020-2024 had one Supreme Court Justice to appoint. Now there’s another 2 if not 3

    In 2020 it would have been close. Now Democrats will have to regain ground, New Jersey New Hampshire and Minnesota are now Swing States.

    2016 Trump had his populist wave weakened by Gary Johnson and Evan McMulin who blocked the popular vote and kept states like Colorado and New Mexico out of his hands. 2016 Trump sucked with Hispanics. That initial wave would have burnt out with the COVID fuckery. Instead Democrats slotted in, took the 4 worst possible years, and are handing it back having effectively both given them another shot in the arm and crippled themselves. There goes the court. This isn’t John Kerry, it’s Carter.

    I’ve heard of 2020 hindsight, but this is ridiculous

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      2020-2024 had one Supreme Court Justice to appoint. Now there’s another 2 if not 3

      And you bet your ass they’ll appoint them as young as possible so they’ve got their pocket justices for another 40 or 50 years.

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      Imagine a time traveller appearing in 2020 and trying to convince everyone they needed to reelect Trump

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    Democrats have definitely become the elitist party. They parade their rich celebrity friends around to inspire your vote. Can it become more ridiculous?

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      Don’t you mean Trump? The literal billionaire who represents the richest man in the world? Weird

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        Yea but with the republicans you already sorta expect it. Harris pivoted from a really sensible campaign that honestly I think would’ve won, to “look at all these rich people, celebrities and even right-wing warmongers who support me!” - and while I get the point - a dirtbag like Cheney supporting Harris is a sign of how fucked up Trump REALLY is - the message might not have been as clear to everyone.

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      They parade their rich celebrity friends around to inspire your vote. Can it become more ridiculous?

      Yes. They thought Dick Cheney would do the trick.

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          No, I mean every centrist’s Senpai, DICK Cheney. They were so fucking happy when they got the endorsement of their favorite living war criminal not named Netanyahu.

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            I’m relatively centrist in that I hold positions from both the left and the right, but I’m also anti-authoritarian and anti-war. I can’t stand Dick Cheney.

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      And you’re saying “billionaire” Donald Trump up on stage with the wealthiest man in the world is somehow more in-touch?

      Jesus Christ, get real you guys.

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      Just wait until Ted Cruz switches parties and runs as a dem for President in 2028

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    I will always blame DWS, Clinton, and to a slightly lesser extent Brazile for the ruin of the party. Until there is proportional representation (i.e. never), there will never be a party that represents a great many of us.

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      Blaming the poor is a cool and fun take. If you willing want to blame those for which voting is actually a burden then you are the problem.

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          The people who are already being subjugated by the system, yeah you are wrong and your take is dangerous and enabling of the system.

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              The poor have a lot less to lose than you do. This isn’t going to change much for them, so it was on people like you to convince them to vote. Promising nothing besides “Not Trump” isn’t going to cut it. Try actually helping them for a change instead of blaming them and then wishing they get fucked, you god damned psychopath.

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          So, just curious,what’s your plan to replace the voters? Are you just bitching, or does this lead somewhere? It seems to me that even if the voters are the problem, we need candidates capable of inspiring them to act differently.

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      Yes Draedron, you can. But you’ve already established your genocidal credentials. The rest of us will continue to mop up the mess you, harris/biden, and the dnc made as usual.

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        You are the one who picked the fascist by not voting. You are the one who gave power to someone who will worseb the genocide against Palestinians, Ukrainians and enables the coming genocide against Taiwanese people.

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          🤷 my vote was available, 20 million other votes were available, I showed up, I begged you, harris, biden, the dnc, my reps all year to stop a genocide. I warned you. My state went for harris, as I told you it would. but I fucking warned you what was about to happen.

          I. Told. You. What. Was. About. To. Happen. you, like an ostrich, buried your head in the sand and sang ‘lalala evil.’ Now you’re lashing out as if you didn’t choose this.

          You. Choose. This. The only person you have to blame is yourself and those mentioned above.

          Your willingness to support a genocidal candidate above everything CHOOSE THIS.

          Your willingness to play holier than thou and demand other people vote for a genocidal candidate CHOOSE THIS.

          Your willingness to put corporate well being over american well being well being CHOOSE THIS.

          Its okay to admit you made a mistake, say it after me: ‘I did this. me. but next time I will do better’

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            You chose this by not voting. You think democracy and fascism are the same so you chose not to vote and risk fascism taking over. You caused this. And you will now see that fascism is not preferrable to democracy. Dont come and expect empathy. You are responsible for this by not voting for democracy.

            But I am glad you admitted in your final sentence you made a mistake. Its too late now though. Your country will go down in flames thanks to your decision

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              You keep saying that, but I voted; just not in the manner you wanted because I don’t support genocides under any circumstances.

              again you chose this. you were warned. people told you. no amount of assertions by you will change these facts. when someone tells you what they’re going to do you should believe them.

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                You threw your vote away like every non voter.

                You heard what Trump will do and decided not to vote against him because you dont mind fascism. You chose this and you will suffer the hardest consequenceq. I wont. You chose fascism over democracy for something that will not change no matter the outcome. Something that will get even worse now. With Harris Palestinians would have a chance of survival. You took that chance away from them. Their blood is on your hands. The blood of your fellow countrymen and women who will die due to Trumps policies is on your hands.

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                  Keep telling yourself that. You’ve seen the results of your position. Its a losing position. Your inability to self reflect will lead you to continuously repeating the same mistakes as you’ve done here.

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              Keep telling yourself that. Gaza was a component, as was inflation, and middle class woes. Harris lost 25 electoral votes in Michigan and Wisconsin alone.

              Two states with heavy arab demographics. Oops! All so Israel can genocide. 🎉

              • Yes yes, the unmitigated genocidal campaign of indiscriminate bombings targeting all food, water, and medical infrastructure has gone on for over a year. Over one year of imminent famine. 99% of Gaza still alive. Doesn’t that raise any concern in your mind that either your facts or your calculus could be wrong?

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                  Hows that straw doing? still fresh I hope? pliable? I feel like the legs you made were a little thin. You sure it’ll stand?

                  Are you trying to assert Israel isn’t committing genocide? I’m not particularly interested in discussing the semantics of a genocide with a nobody like yourself. suffice to say, yes I’m confident in my calculus that harris’ position on gaza cost her 25 electoral votes.

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              shrug Im handling this just fine. Ive been expecting it for the last two months watching harris campaign. Im mostly picking up the pieces in my local community and helping them get through their grief.

              Your bunch on the other hand should probably go touch some grass. It’ll help I promise.

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                shrug Im handling this just fine.

                Lol you fucking clown, he’s not president yet. Revisit this thought in 6 months to a year.

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                  Don’t worry im well aware of what I’ll need to be doing this entire presidency as a result of the democrats complete and utter boondongle.

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      Bad take. Lots of Bernie voters turned redipped after the DNC shafted Bernie. Blame the oligarchy

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    Rings a bit hollow. Biden stood up for unions, did not interfere with strikes, and always sided with the worker.

    The other party… celebrating layoffs, cutting the fat, blocking unions.

    So sure, maybe they could be better. But to say they abandoned the American worker, thats a bit of a stretch.

    Love Bern, but right now he’s playing Monday morning QB.

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      My guy, Biden blocked a railroad workers strike because it endangered corporate interests, and he didn’t give them a key piece they were asking for: paid sick leave.

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          4, not the 7 they wanted or deserved. he doesn’t get any credit for this. he broke the strike weakening their position.

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            I’m partially agreeing, I want to point out that they did get 7 days allotted.

            Not all 7 of those are from sick time, so you’ve got a point.

            I find it a reach to say the administration gets no credit when it’s definitely been assigned to them on multiple fronts for the effort.

            Congress was involved here too. Do you think our president should be a despot?

            Were you directly involved in negotiations?

            The people who were directly involved, gave the Biden administration credit for an assist.

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              Dig deeper the people who gave credit were the same members who didn’t support the strike in the first place. iirc.

              I blame everyone involved who voted to break the strike. don’t try to assert for me things I havent asserted.

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                So you don’t acknowledge when you’re wrong, and will continue to move goalposts. You’re taking a defensive posture.

                It’s becoming clear now.

                You’re a bad faith actor.

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                  You’re of course welcome to continue believing that. Thats of course your prerogative. But I’m just going to point to the results since they speak for themselves.

                  Harris is missing 20million votes. You were warned and decided that arguing with me about the lesser evil ‘optimal voting strategy’ than realizing the danger harris was putting you in was a good idea. 👍 Good job. Now go convince those 20million other individuals since you’ve failed here.

                  You know what they say, you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make them drink. (I know you struggle with analogies, you’re the 🐴)

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            I agree, optics matter to the public and media.

            The media has sane washed an insane old person, while negatively spinning or outright ignoring any Biden accomplishment.

            The fact is, in this system, we’re trying to convince a small group of undecided folks in a few swing states to get involved and make a choice.

            The majority of the public is too tired and busy to bother to review the facts, and happy to watch an opinion of the matter - whether it’s true or not.

            If it fits into their world-view there’s no need to challenge it.

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              No, that undecided group does not exist, this election clearly demonstrated that. Trump results are nearly identical to 2020. What exists are people who are not engaged or disalusioned. They also are poor and going to vote is a meaningful event that takes energy that they don’t have.

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                Yeah, you’re acting in bad faith here too.

                The numbers of votes clearly show over 24 million people sat out 2024 vs 2020.

                Undecided doesn’t mean they’ll make a decision on voting day.

                I know of several people who willingly sat out because the state they’re in was always decided and they didn’t feel it would matter.

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                  You just said exactly what I said while also saying im acting in bad faith.

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    They should have let Biden run. Replacing him with Harris will go down as the dumbest move the DNC, or any American political party, has ever done.

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      It wouldn’t have changed the outcome. After 4 years of Biden, people were over it. The millions of extra votes that showed up to stop trump in 2020 wouldn’t have showed up for Biden, if they didn’t show up for Harris.

      People want change. Unfortunately this result is what happens when 1 candidate stays status quo and 1 candidate is for change.

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      All the exit polls in swing states were showing only 40% or less approve of Biden. You think the outcome would have been any different?

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    Like I give a fuck about whatever Bernie says at a time like this. Shut up and stop acting like you know what’s best for us, this is some fine Monday morning QB that’s completely unhelpful. Come at me Bernie bros.

    Edit: Looks like the Bernie Bros do know how to vote after all! Just not where it matters. Shame on those who sat out the election in 2016 and 2024 to enable the slide towards fascism. Shame on those who didn’t vote because of Gaza. Gaza and Ukraine are fucked now because of people like you. You do not have the moral high ground. Keep the downvotes coming, it means I struck a nerve. Shame on you. I sincerely hope the leopards come for you first.

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        I mean, yeah, I think that’s unironically who they want to listen to. They’re waiting for someone to tell them why the choices the party made were actually good and smart and how all the left punching they did was actually justified. I’m not sure they’re going to get it, though; even the Pod Save America guys sounded on the verge of some self-reflection. But who knows, maybe they’ll blame Russian disinformation campaigns again and put their heads back in the sand.

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        That’s a great one! Hmm, let’s see what do you call a leftist who sits out the vote?

        Complicit.

        See, it’s not really funny after all.