• TheKingBee@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    2
    ·
    edit-2
    8 months ago

    Okay, let’s do it explain how in a “pure” capitalist society a public body, without the ability to at least nominally use a legal system to guard against collusion and monopoly using the threat of breaking up or shutting down corporations, provide any protection?

    Giving them the power to do that makes them just a government by another name.

    • HardNut@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      8 months ago

      You literally directly quoted me saying that it seemed like you thought I was advocating for pure capitalism, and now you are directly asking me to defend pure capitalism. You are trying incredibly hard to straw man me into something I’m not, and I would like you to stop that.

      This conversion will go no where unless you actually want to respond to things I’m saying, so please let me ask you directly about what I was actually saying: is it appropriate to blame capitalism when a public corporation in collusion with the government is at fault for an issue? If not, why?

      • TheKingBee@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        8 months ago

        I guess i’m getting that from when you first said,

        but in a truly free market capitalist system

        I just assumed you were defending a “truly free market” capitalism.

        to address what you just posted,

        is it appropriate to blame capitalism when a public corporation in collusion with the government is at fault for an issue? If not, why?

        yes, capitalism creates the conditions for that collusion. It allows entities with the only goal of profit at any cost.

        removing the government doesn’t reduce that corruption it just allows it to go unchecked without even an illusion of protection to the public.

        • HardNut@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          8 months ago

          yes, capitalism creates the conditions for that collusion.

          Focus on what capitalism means when you say this, and focus on the context you’re saying this in. Capitalism is the private ownership of the means of production, and we are discussing medicine. So, what you’re saying, is that the private control of medicine created the conditions for government collusion with a public corporation, This does not make sense, because public corporations are not private. This is corporatism, not capitalism.

          removing the government doesn’t reduce that corruption

          Then it’s the governments job to allow private entities some avenue to produce medicine. They can do so by not enforcing patents on helpful medicine that empowers corporations.