A friend might let me install Linux on his secondary laptop he uses for university. He’s not a tinkerer and wants something that just works.

Linux Mint is known for being very user-friendly and stable. Also easy to get help online.

However, in my opinion Mint seems rather outdated, both with its Windows-like workflow, default icons and look and also Xorg. When I tried it I had some screen stuttering I couldn’t resolve, probably due to Xorg.

Instead, Fedora with GNOME is very elegant and always uses the newest technologies. It feels and looks actually nice and not outdated. But I’d have to install media codecs via terminal first which suggests that Fedora is for experienced users. Also university wifi eduroam doesn’t work on Fedora for me because legacy TLS connection is not supported in Fedora (at least I couldn’t get it to work). I’m at a different uni than him tho, so it might work there. In general, less help on the web for Fedora than Mint.

What do you think? (Btw, KDE is too convoluted in my opinion. Manjaro too, it breaks too often. I will not consider it.)

EDIT: From what I’ve gathered so far, I should probably install Mint. He can try Fedora with a live usb or on my laptop. If he prefers that then I can warn him that this may be less stable and ask what he wants.

I’ve only tried Ubuntu-based Mint, but LMDE is more future-proof so it will probably be that.

    • Pantherina@feddit.de
      3·
      1 year ago

      Mint has very nice tooling but its a weird Ubuntu derivate. One day a specific software doesnt install, or you have an XOrg problem that will never be fixed, or standard updates simply break something, and then…

      Mint is nice and easy to get going, but its outdated a lot, and uses a Distro model that I dont like to install on random laptops that are never updated.

      • Uvine_Umarylis@partizle.com
        3·
        1 year ago

        So you’re a power user? Case in point, you’d be better for Fedora.

        Also my second distro was mint, after 3+ years of the old hdd’s non-use, I pulled it out last year when my install of some OS broke, updated it to zero issues (I was curious), used the software for a bit, all was good.

        3 years without an update to zero issues.

        Haven’t seen any issue with Mint updates yet like I’ve fought in Fedora

        • Pher@lemmy.world
          1·
          1 year ago

          Power users do not care about the distro, linux is linux, they will compile everything how they like it.

  • DerisionConsulting@lemmy.caEnglish
    33·
    1 year ago

    From your post:

    laptop he uses for university. He’s not a tinkerer and wants something that just works.

    Mint:

    Linux Mint is known for being very user-friendly and stable. Also easy to get help online.

    Fedora:

    have to install media codecs via terminal

    university wifi eduroam doesn’t work on Fedora

    less help on the web for Fedora than Mint.

    Unless you’re sure that screen stuttering is going to be a major annoyance, you know what I am going to suggest.

  • edric@lemm.ee
    23·
    1 year ago

    Mint is like 99% plug and play on most laptops, so I’d recommend they go that route.

  • vsis@feddit.clEnglish
    20·
    1 year ago

    I recommend Mint.

    Chances are your friend’s secondary laptop doesn’t have extra resources for Gnome to run smoothly. Sad thing is nowadays Gnome is very heavy and bloated.

    Also, he may try both distros live-usb. Maybe he don’t care about Mint looking outdated. But if he does, you may try Fedora live-usb and check if university wifi works properly.

    It’s his laptop after all, so I believe your appreciations on the beauty of desktop environments are secondary.

    • jack@monero.townOP
      4·
      1 year ago

      Good ideas, I will consider that.

      It’s his laptop after all, so I believe your appreciations on the beauty of desktop environments are secondary.

      You are right. I was thinking that the Fedora workflow might give him some Linux-exclusive benefits over Windows so he might consider switching his main laptop too. Mint is rather a drop-in replacement for Windows so the advantages of Linux are not very visible/important for a newcomer. At least compared to a DE like GNOME.

  • Skelectus@suppo.fi
    15·
    1 year ago

    As a fedoraman myself, I think Pop!_OS is a great option.

    But are you doing this because your friend wants linux or because you want it? It’s okay to recommend it but don’t push it if they don’t need it.

  • Feyter@programming.dev
    14·
    1 year ago

    In general I would recommend any Debian derivate for beginners that just don’t care about how their computer is operating. So if this is really just a question regarding eight Fedora or Linux Mint then I would say Linux Mint because it’s a Debian derivative.

    That’s simply because chances are high stat you will at least find a Deb package for any proprietary software you might want to use. Making it “easier” for the user.

    If you install the system for your friend you’re free to change the Desctop environment to everything you want.

    • woelkchen@lemmy.world
      5·
      1 year ago

      That’s simply because chances are high stat you will at least find a Deb package for any proprietary software you might want to use. Making it “easier” for the user.

      Fedora ships unfiltered Flathub outof the box since quite some time. If easy access to proprietary software is a deciding factor, Fedora is among the easiest options.

        • woelkchen@lemmy.world
          3·
          1 year ago

          Mint has Flathub and the deb ecosystem.

          Random debs don’t magically work on all Debian derivatives. Simply getting debs from somewhere is just asking for problems.

          • entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org
            3·
            1 year ago

            Anything that runs on Debian Bookworm works on LMDE 6, anything that works on the latest Ubuntu LTS works on the latest regular Mint

            • woelkchen@lemmy.world
              2·
              1 year ago

              anything that works on the latest Ubuntu LTS works on the latest regular Mint

              Addon repositories can cause incompatibilities. Random individually downloaded deb package here, some random PPA there, spice it up with the Mint add-on repo to Ubuntu, and you can end up with a broken system (let’s say I learned the hard way a good amount of years ago only to combine a few handpicked repos).

  • Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee
    11·
    1 year ago

    I’d say Mint.

    Mint is planning to add experimental support for Wayland this winter, so he’s probably only 1-2 years away from full Wayland support in the DE.

  • beta_tester@lemmy.ml
    10·
    1 year ago

    Even if Mint (Cinnamon) doesn’t look as good as GNOME, you can always install another desktop environment.

    I’d recommend fedora silverblue. You’ll install all graphical packages via a Software store and you won’t brick your system. Even if, you may just recover an old state. I installed media codecs via the software store, not command line.

    Fedora is very beginner friendly too

  • OscarRobin@lemmy.world
    9·
    1 year ago

    I love Fedora but definitely Mint for a normie. Even then I question if you should install Linux at all since reliably being able to do what you need to do is priority one, especially for a student, and if he may be blocked in his work as a result I don’t think it’s a great idea.

  • airikr@lemmy.ml
    8·
    1 year ago

    Begin small, end big. That works for everything when learning something new. So, with that said, go for Linux Mint Cinnamon.

    I begun my Linux journey with elementary OS which is more for macOS users. I was a Windows user so I switched to Linux Mint Cinnamon. After a few years of exploring and learning, I am now using EndeavourOS.