Shoplifting from small ‘Mom and Pop’ stores harms them and I damn well would report it to the owner. Shoplifting from a large chain store bothers me not a whit.
Absolutely. About the only companies I would want to steal from are shitbags like Electronic Arts (piracy) or Walmart (fuck “self-checkout”) or (as stated) Loblaws. Any company of over 10k employees (well, as an estimate, at least) without a Union for their labor and service employees deserves a little shrinkage as punishment.
Mom and Pop stores are already struggling to make a living. If you need food that badly though (such as if you are homeless) then I recommend asking a mom and pop store if they have left over baked goods or newly-expired milk that doesn’t smell funky. They’re in the same boots, even if theirs is a comfier fit, and they will usually say yes to someone asking to eat goods that can no longer be sold.
That, and if you do decide to ask a larger grocer they’re more likely to say no in some places, but that’s because corporate scumbags want to force people to have to buy food to live. Hence why.a supermarket or big box store is more acceptable to snatch food from. Do it at the end of the day just before closing, the employees of a store like that and the cops (at least here in Canada) are more likely to be understanding if you get caught. Worst case scenario, you spend time awaiting a trial that will likely be thrown out due to how petty it will look to a judge to charge someone for stealing almost-expired bread (and if he/she doesn’t, a reliable public defense attorney will point it out and reduce/negate your sentence).
Ask first is always the key, and only if you really are on the street or your paycheck is gone and your fridge empty and the month not close to being over. If they say no, ask elsewhere. If everyone says no (which has happened in places with arrogant assholes in City Hall deciding to discriminate against homeless people) then yeah, fuck the rules, take what you need to live.
I wonder if stealing food while literally malnourished could count as self-defense in a court of law?
Agreed. Steal from Loblaws in particular those price fixing sociopaths. Even if you don’t need too, just on principal.
But only if you can get away with it. I don’t want Loblaws to be able to successfully “make an example” of someone, that would likely lead to a world where shoplifting is punished ruthlessly when the first court case sets precedent against the public.
The thing is to steal small items while paying for some of them. Like why pay for say, lip balm?
I used to have a lot of snitch tenancies. Boy did that die off quickly.
Now, unless you’re posing a risk to life and limb for members of the public, I’m just going to keep moving.
I got my own problems.
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Ok, but if it’s freezing out, you should really check the tents.
It is tonight. A couple of years ago I met a tent encampment resident who got frostbite in his fingers and the first joints all fell off or were removed, the rest were black and looked like exploded sticks of dynamite.
A wealthy CEO having their salary adjusted in the streets
a bank with a burning dumpster behind it
an oil pipeline [redacted]
That’s whistleblowing, calling for the fire department, and reporting terrorism respectively. Not quite the same thing when the examples in the picture are people taking drastic measures to stay alive.
Yes I did. And it makes me see how the system is broken.
What I “fucking didn’t” was report it.
If you see any of that and can afford to be worried, alleviate that worry by buying some food for that person.
The store I worked night stock at never had a single shoplifter on my shift (they were 24hrs).
Amazing! Your presence must have been quite the deterrent!
I am very large.
You know what they say about people with big hearts!
they die young?
I’m not gonna snitch on someone stealing bread or nappies but in my experience they’re usually stealing alcohol.
or teenage girls stealing make up
Sometimes an immediate relief from psychological suffering through the escapism of alcohol is no different than the immediate need for food. Sometimes the alternative is death
Luxury items that have no cheaper, reasonable alternative are where I draw the line. Alcohol to cope with the chronic pain and psychological suffering that homelessness brings is not really a luxury in my book
Sometimes luxuries are the best thing for the downtrodden to borrow because they can be bartered for money in the real world and sometimes having a little scratch in your pocket can make you feel human. My fiance and i pretty much survived on less than $6000 in total this year but having a little paper in my pocket makes me feel like a person. That being said the more expensive items a store carries the harder it is to borrow from them.
We have to draw the line somewhere. It is not reasonable to say “anyone can steal anything from anyone if they look homeless”.
Obviously everyone’s situation is unique and I won’t judge the individual until I know all the context, but I’m not gonna turn a blind eye to someone stealing luxury items from a small business.
We draw the line at wages that actually provide people enough to live a life worth living. Minimum wage in 1956 earned 60 ounces of gold a year in 1968 it was raised to $1.60/hr or 95 ounce of gold a year/ $250,000 today this was the 8th time minimum wage was increased since minimum wage was legislated by the fair labor standards act of 1938. Meanwhile today federal minimum wage has not been adjusted in 15 going on 16 years. This is the longest its gone without adjustment in the 86 years of minimum wage. The current inflation statistics regurgitated by wall street the imf and world bank are based on consumer price index which does not take into account the devaluation of currency due to the increase in circulating currency supply. Nixon ended the gold standard jn 1971 and by 1981 the usa had printed its first one trillion dollars. For the first 172 years after the us instituted a national standard currency the price of gold only increased 80% from $19 to $35 but since then its increased 7500% to $2650 meanwhile minimum wage has only increased 450-1300% and corporate executive pay has ballooned 3300%-16,500% so minimum wage value has actually decreased by 84-93% these corporations are literally robbing us all. 2/3 of working people are living paycheck to paycheck with no emergency savings. A majority of Millennials and gen z are on track to never own a home or be able to retire. They will have to work until they are too sick to be able to with the hope that social security still exists in 30-50 years. Retailers already increase prices to account for shrink and they take out massive insurance policies that reimburse them for shrink so the idea that this hurts big box businesses is just ridiculous propaganda
Wages converted to oz of gold is a completely meaningless metric. Gold has no bearing whatsoever on the ability to purchase things and fluctuates way more than actual money.
Completely untrue. Gold has been considered an inflation proof asset since the dawn of investment banking. Unlike cpi its price is directly tied to the amount of currency in circulation here are 2 articles highlighting my points
https://www.reuters.com/plus/beyond-cpi-gold-as-a-strategic-inflation-hedge
But go ahead and believe whatever the wall street military and prison industry profiteers tell you, they are masters of fraud, deception and propaganda.
I may not be an expert, but I do have a minor in economics, so I have a basic understanding of the math behind it. And you aren’t going to convince me that math and statistics aren’t real.
One thing I would point out is gold is inherently deflationary, because the money supply can’t grow with the economy.
It’s not as simple as more dollar bills=inflation, less dollar bills=deflation. For one thing, if the population grows and the money supply doesn’t, everybody has less money. Also, if we have a recession and people stop spending money as quickly, the money supply goes down. Interest rates effect money supply as well. There are a ton of factors. This is not propaganda, it is basic math.
Based on your argument, do you really think someone making minimum wage in 1968 had the same purchasing power as someone making 250k in 2024? This is absurdly false.
I agree with you that the system is broken, but your numbers are completely meaningless.
You didn’t answer my question at all. What is the line for what is acceptable to steal?
Are you saying that until there is a fair minimum wage anyone can steal anything and feel no guilt or shame? That it’s all okay, ethically and morally, because of the minimum wage?
That’s bonkers, if that’s what you’re saying. But honestly your entire rant didn’t address my question of when theft is okay and when it isn’t
People are being robbed at every opportunity in society. Wage theft is theft its just legal because bureaucratic paperwork deems it acceptable. The amount of wealth distribution in the last 75 years has shifted from the bottom 80% owning 90% of thr wealth to the top 10 percent owning 85% of the wealth today.
Its not bonkers at all. Youre just saying bexause billionaires use militarized police and bureaucratic processes to rob the proletariat its acceptable whereas people who are desperate overworked and underpaid by design because the system has created this environment by design to benefit the owning class, taking what little they need to survive and removing a tiny amount of profit from businesses that earn hundreds of billions annually is unacceptable?they dint even loose profit because they are insured against shrink and have shrink built into their price walmart made $143 BILLION in 2022 and was crying about 3 billion in shrink while a large portion of its labor force is sk under payed they qualify for food stamps. Its a joke.does boot flavored gum really taste that good?
Now i don’t condone stealing from small mom And pop businesses. Unless they are equally shitty to their workers as box stores are then fuck them too but a small family owned business that has 5 or 10 employees and treats them well should not be a target of this reappropriating action
So you’re an anarchist. You get to decide who deserves to be treated fairly and who doesn’t. Cool. If I ever find out who you are I’ll rob you blind and say it’s all fair because something something wage theft and I don’t think you deserve what you have something something. If you get to pick and choose who to steal from then so do I. And we’ll all just kill each other over our disagreements. 😬
Just to piggyback off your comment, I got wondering how much minimum wage is worth in ounces of gold these days. $15, which is higher than the federal minimum, yields 15 dollars per hour *40 hours a week *52 work weeks in a year makes $31,200 gross income. The current price of gold is $2637/oz, rounded to the nearest whole dollar, according to a quick Google search that brings up daily updates websites (today’s date is 12/21/2024). To get how many ounces of gold a $15/hr minimum wage would get, gross wages and full work weeks, we would divide the yearly income of $31,200 by the price per oz of gold of $2637. 31200/2637 is 11.8 rounded to the nearest tenth. So, $15/hr minimum wage workers are effectively making anywhere from 1/6th to 1/9th of what their 1956 and 1968 compatriots were making. Wow.
Yeah i have those numbers on hand too. The minimum wage in California for select fast food workers is just over 15 ounces which is just barely more than the first established minimum wage after the FLSA was implemented of $.25/hr so minimum wage today earns between 6-15 ounces so that’s 7-14% of what it earned in 1968-1971 and I’ve also done the math to know that it cost more to purchase and maintain a slave before the end of the civil war than minimum wage workers are currently payed in the usa.
Well alcoholism and addiction are diseases that capitalism engineer to addict people to alcohol, so I don’t care at all.
Well alcoholism and addiction are diseases that capitalism engineer
Chuckles bitterly in Soviet
Or like most of human history. People have been alcoholics far longer than capitalism has existed.
Not to mention that alcohol withdrawal can literally kill you. It is obviously better to get sober, but a heavy drinker going cold turkey without medical supervision can end up in the morgue.
They are not exclusive to capitalism.
Imagine being concerned about such things.
I used to live in a tent and people were lovely. When I could afford permits for NPs, I’d have other camping friends. I’d also shoplift and felt bad for it, only making sure I took the cheapest food and supplies and only what I need. I wasn’t a threat to anything, no one in that situation could even afford to be one.
Yeah, we’ve got people living in tents in the city park here, it’s legal but I see how there’s fear mongering and attempts to throw them away. When in fact those living in tents are likely too tired and scared themselves to do any harm
You shouldn’t have felt the slightest bit bad my friend. Your government consigned to be marginalized and not help you? Take what you need.
Snitches be bitches.
Snitches get no bitches
A pre mediated CEO hunter eating a burger?
I agree. I am worried that he’ll freeze out there this winter though.
