I want to say I’m amazed at the shit fucking takes to justify awful choices that directly lead to a fascist overthrow in response to your comment. But these types love to justify their choices even though they directly lead to an open fascist takeover of our country because BoTh SiDeS bAd because they couldn’t be bothered to engage in harm reduction and are ok with Gaza getting glassed and a probable trans genocide at home.
Fuck anyone who uses genocide to justify the situation where we now get more genocide, they never actually cared about it in the first place aside from talking points. Either that, or talk is more important than action. Either way, their opinions are meaningless to me as I help my trans homies survive.
Just a not even remotely friendly reminder that if you are American, eligible to vote and didn’t vote for Kamala then you actively voted for this.
Don’t try to spin logic. The red and blue party were both and has always been unified in supporting the fascist israel government in getting rid of gaza. People who chose not to play the rigged show the US government put up with elections is doing way less harm to humanity than the ones actively voting and supporting murderers.
The Dems knew people were pissed with their support of the genocide in Israel, because several states had large percentages of people who voted ‘undecided’ in the Democratic primaries with the stated purpose of communicating that they wanted the US to stop sending WMD’s to Israel.
And, like usual, the Dems just ignored it, and opted instead to literally help Genocide Joe stack bodies until his final day in office. Kamala, when asked what she’d do differently, replied: “Nothing comes to mind.” Indulging she and Joe’s arrogance was given more consideration than child genocide. Think about that.
As much as people hate hearing ‘both sides’, this is very much a both sides issue.
Biden had as much choice as Trump does now - that is to say, if he or any other Democrat actually didn’t want the genocide to continue they could have taken a page from the Republican handbook and bent the government to their purpose. There is, and never was, any will to do that. There is ALWAYS a choice - people like you who keep whining “Oh noooo the Dems had no chooiiiice, they have no blame in thiiiiis ;__;” are a huge part of the reason why things have gotten as bad as they have. Fuck you. (and, before you accuse me of ~nOt DoInG mY pArT~ by voting Blue, I damn well did vote for Harris)
Hah, that’s fair enough. I guess I’m just so frustrated at seeing Republicans repeatedly get their way by acting outside of the law that I want people who actually care about human rights and justice to do the same thing :(
Biden had as much choice as Trump does now - that is to say, if he or any other Democrat actually didn’t want the genocide to continue they could have taken a page from the Republican handbook and bent the government to their purpose
They didn’t have to bend anything. We have laws on the books about sending arms and bombs to states intending to use them for targeting civilians. Just enforce the law
Inaction is still a choice, so not voting means you’re ok with this. Voting or not voting, you still made your choice in November and here we are.
People saying and persuading others to vote for murderers with blood on their hands are much bigger spineless coward with no morals.
That’s the most bullshit argument to justify your shitty choices and is textbook DARVO. Not voting for the lesser murderer means we get an even bigger one who will actively increase the suffering, and it’s hilarious to me how you’re trying to pretend that voting to prevent more genocide is cowardly. But cowards love to pretend they’re not cowards and blame others when they don’t have the stones to make hard decisions. And lol, using morality to justify letting trump genocide people home and abroad shows you have none.
Inaction is still a choice, so not voting means you’re ok with this. Voting or not voting, you still made your choice in November and here we are.
The choice not to support a rigged as fuck system that needs to go for the sake of humanity. You are not supposed to vote for any murderer of any scale under any circumstances. When the choice is between two murderers it’s time for plan B
You sound like one of the idiots my grandfather tried to warn in Germany in the 1920s before he got the fuck out and came to America on forged papers on a Japanese fishing boat
Most governments around the world are ruled by villains consumed by greed and lust of power. If you support and fuel a genocide you are bad on pairs as nazi regardless of your country or political agenda. The government of israel by definition can’t be nazi but they are committing crimes as the nazi were.
You can try to blame people who didn’t vote the red and blue party as much as you want but they are not going to feel horrible because they didn’t support any murderer. You seem to be projecting a lot of resentment perhaps deep down you don’t feel happy about your choice?
I mean my vote hasn’t mattered in the last 2 elections. My state hasnt flipped blue since Obama. There’s a lot of situations where voting is a waste of time. Making that not be true is what’s going to increase voter turnout, not trying to shame them for something they’re not responsible for
Not engaging is also a choice, a very shit one in this case. You either contributed -1, 0, or +1 to a fascist takeover, sure 0 might be better than +1 but taking a neutral stance against such a dogshit prospect really puts the chair in armchair revolutionary, and doesn’t make you much better than the cheeto worshippers.
Imagine saying that with a straight face with one side has just declared they want to very actively partake in the genocide and just do the job themselves.
This is like saying giving a murderer a knife is the same as going in with a machine gun yourself.
This is like saying giving a murderer a knife is the same as going in with a machine gun yourself.
I know you’re trying to be profound here, but in this case, it is exactly the same. Genocide Joe very reliably delivered WMD’s to Israel during his term in full knowledge that it was a vastly unpopular decision, up until his last day. The news reported something like 80 people killed in the days between the signing of the ceasefire and Biden leaving office.
Whether it’s the US or Israel doing the squatting “settling” in Gaza, the results are the same. Biden and Trump diverge in minor ways, but unfortunately Israel doesn’t appear to be one of them.
But I knew way too many fucking idiots like you in real life too years ago as to know there’s a good chance that you’re not a troll.
The only consolidation I have is that dumbasses like you will suffer along with the rest, even if not as much as you deserve compared to those who knew better.
What’s the point of saying that here? If you’re an American who could vote and you’re on Lemmy there’s a 99.9% chance you voted blue. But even if that weren’t the case, all of this transpired while we had a Democrat in office, so it’s just a horrible continuation of an already existing trend
The US shouldn’t be considered a single country. The EU has way more in common between it’s members and acts more like one country than the US.
Breaking it up in 50 different states is probably gonna cause a war I see that.
Slowly the US (which has been a terrible country for a lot of people) is dying and pulling others down. The US has pushed it’s bullshit into way to many countries it is not even funny.
I understand the emotional appeal to blaming individuals for their action/inaction, but the fault lies with the system of governance. You can try to herd cats until the cows come home, but it only leaves you frustrated and drained. We can only educate ourselves, and try to educate others.
I’ve been voting for 40 years, and look where we are. I understand the desire for change, but have to remind myself not to fall victim to electoral fetishism. Real, lasting change, can only come from social movements by the people.
I believe you mentioned that propaganda influences people. The same system that educates us, propagandizes us. Why blame those who are miseducated and manipulated? That’s barking up the wrong tree. I get it, I’ve been where you are. It’s frustrating. And it’s difficult to stay focused on the root cause (because of propaganda). Fighting with friends and family, even though you may be right, is fruitless. It’s much better, and more productive, to listen, try to understand where they are misinformed, and try to find common ground. I have influenced many in my life through connecting on an emotional level, and then steering them to constructive conversations of understanding. They want us at each other’s throats.
I don’t simp for him, fuck that scumbag.
But I think issues are more complicated than that, because for example Democrats actively supported the genocide too, so it’s not just 1 bad guy.
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I want to say I’m amazed at the shit fucking takes to justify awful choices that directly lead to a fascist overthrow in response to your comment. But these types love to justify their choices even though they directly lead to an open fascist takeover of our country because BoTh SiDeS bAd because they couldn’t be bothered to engage in harm reduction and are ok with Gaza getting glassed and a probable trans genocide at home.
Fuck anyone who uses genocide to justify the situation where we now get more genocide, they never actually cared about it in the first place aside from talking points. Either that, or talk is more important than action. Either way, their opinions are meaningless to me as I help my trans homies survive.
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Don’t try to spin logic. The red and blue party were both and has always been unified in supporting the fascist israel government in getting rid of gaza. People who chose not to play the rigged show the US government put up with elections is doing way less harm to humanity than the ones actively voting and supporting murderers.
Underrated comment here.
The Dems knew people were pissed with their support of the genocide in Israel, because several states had large percentages of people who voted ‘undecided’ in the Democratic primaries with the stated purpose of communicating that they wanted the US to stop sending WMD’s to Israel.
And, like usual, the Dems just ignored it, and opted instead to literally help Genocide Joe stack bodies until his final day in office. Kamala, when asked what she’d do differently, replied: “Nothing comes to mind.” Indulging she and Joe’s arrogance was given more consideration than child genocide. Think about that.
As much as people hate hearing ‘both sides’, this is very much a both sides issue.
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Biden had as much choice as Trump does now - that is to say, if he or any other Democrat actually didn’t want the genocide to continue they could have taken a page from the Republican handbook and bent the government to their purpose. There is, and never was, any will to do that. There is ALWAYS a choice - people like you who keep whining “Oh noooo the Dems had no chooiiiice, they have no blame in thiiiiis ;__;” are a huge part of the reason why things have gotten as bad as they have. Fuck you. (and, before you accuse me of ~nOt DoInG mY pArT~ by voting Blue, I damn well did vote for Harris)
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Hah, that’s fair enough. I guess I’m just so frustrated at seeing Republicans repeatedly get their way by acting outside of the law that I want people who actually care about human rights and justice to do the same thing :(
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They didn’t have to bend anything. We have laws on the books about sending arms and bombs to states intending to use them for targeting civilians. Just enforce the law
Some very strong pot kettle black energy here.
If you didn’t vote then you voted. Got it.
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Not correct, if you didn’t vote you didn’t vote period.
People saying and persuading others to vote for murderers with blood on their hands are much bigger spineless coward with no morals.
Inaction is still a choice, so not voting means you’re ok with this. Voting or not voting, you still made your choice in November and here we are.
That’s the most bullshit argument to justify your shitty choices and is textbook DARVO. Not voting for the lesser murderer means we get an even bigger one who will actively increase the suffering, and it’s hilarious to me how you’re trying to pretend that voting to prevent more genocide is cowardly. But cowards love to pretend they’re not cowards and blame others when they don’t have the stones to make hard decisions. And lol, using morality to justify letting trump genocide people home and abroad shows you have none.
The choice not to support a rigged as fuck system that needs to go for the sake of humanity. You are not supposed to vote for any murderer of any scale under any circumstances. When the choice is between two murderers it’s time for plan B
Was plan B sitting on your hands?
Plan B is not support the government
So somewhere between doing absolutely nothing to armed revolution. How enlightening.
That’s still a choice though.
You sound like one of the idiots my grandfather tried to warn in Germany in the 1920s before he got the fuck out and came to America on forged papers on a Japanese fishing boat
And you sound like an idiot using a poor comparison to defend scum as bad as the nazis.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Globke
Most governments around the world are ruled by villains consumed by greed and lust of power. If you support and fuel a genocide you are bad on pairs as nazi regardless of your country or political agenda. The government of israel by definition can’t be nazi but they are committing crimes as the nazi were.
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You can try to blame people who didn’t vote the red and blue party as much as you want but they are not going to feel horrible because they didn’t support any murderer. You seem to be projecting a lot of resentment perhaps deep down you don’t feel happy about your choice?
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I mean my vote hasn’t mattered in the last 2 elections. My state hasnt flipped blue since Obama. There’s a lot of situations where voting is a waste of time. Making that not be true is what’s going to increase voter turnout, not trying to shame them for something they’re not responsible for
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K. That doesn’t explain your nonsense about “If you didn’t vote then you voted”.
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It’s not my reading comprehension that’s at issue here, it’s your abilities with basic logic.
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Ooh, “I’m popular so I’m right”. Yep, you have a major problem with logic.
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Not engaging is also a choice, a very shit one in this case. You either contributed -1, 0, or +1 to a fascist takeover, sure 0 might be better than +1 but taking a neutral stance against such a dogshit prospect really puts the chair in armchair revolutionary, and doesn’t make you much better than the cheeto worshippers.
Not voting at minimum makes you more dumb than MAGA… At least they understand voting can bring changes.
True, and that’s despite most of them believing it’s rigged anyway lmao
Both sides were pro-genocide, you need a multi-party system
We do. But until then, everything they said stands.
Imagine saying that with a straight face with one side has just declared they want to very actively partake in the genocide and just do the job themselves.
This is like saying giving a murderer a knife is the same as going in with a machine gun yourself.
I know you’re trying to be profound here, but in this case, it is exactly the same. Genocide Joe very reliably delivered WMD’s to Israel during his term in full knowledge that it was a vastly unpopular decision, up until his last day. The news reported something like 80 people killed in the days between the signing of the ceasefire and Biden leaving office.
Whether it’s the US or Israel doing the
squatting“settling” in Gaza, the results are the same. Biden and Trump diverge in minor ways, but unfortunately Israel doesn’t appear to be one of them.Minor ways? Are you fucking serious?
I am.
Biden’s presidency was so similar to the prior one that millions of workers who’d voted previously didn’t even see the point in going to the polls.
People like you, are why I moved away.
Sure you could just be another Russian troll.
But I knew way too many fucking idiots like you in real life too years ago as to know there’s a good chance that you’re not a troll.
The only consolidation I have is that dumbasses like you will suffer along with the rest, even if not as much as you deserve compared to those who knew better.
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We need systems where we vote for policies rather than parties.
Absolutely nothing will be fixed until we do.
OP is saying +1 = 0.
You’re complicit in the result, correct.
That’s not what OP said. He said not voting is voting.
Silence is consent when it comes to politics. Always has been; always will be.
Is consent the same as voting for something?
Did you do anything to stop the violent ego maniac in the White House? No? Then you’ve cooperated with him.
Ok, now explain how not voting is voting.
Abstaining affects the outcome as much as voting does.
As much? Are you sure about that?
I’m pretty sure they mean half as much.
What’s the point of saying that here? If you’re an American who could vote and you’re on Lemmy there’s a 99.9% chance you voted blue. But even if that weren’t the case, all of this transpired while we had a Democrat in office, so it’s just a horrible continuation of an already existing trend
They don’t care. The blue conservatives wanted the electoral hostage situation inherrent with First-past-the-post voting.
Now they want to pin the fallout of this policy of keeping 3rd parties out of the electoral process on people not represented in government.
Blue MAGA
The US shouldn’t be considered a single country. The EU has way more in common between it’s members and acts more like one country than the US.
Breaking it up in 50 different states is probably gonna cause a war I see that.
Slowly the US (which has been a terrible country for a lot of people) is dying and pulling others down. The US has pushed it’s bullshit into way to many countries it is not even funny.
I mostly agree.
Also, I live in the US.
The contradiction between blaming voting blocs and then blaming rampant patriotism is not even remotely unironic.
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I understand the emotional appeal to blaming individuals for their action/inaction, but the fault lies with the system of governance. You can try to herd cats until the cows come home, but it only leaves you frustrated and drained. We can only educate ourselves, and try to educate others.
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I’ve been voting for 40 years, and look where we are. I understand the desire for change, but have to remind myself not to fall victim to electoral fetishism. Real, lasting change, can only come from social movements by the people.
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I believe you mentioned that propaganda influences people. The same system that educates us, propagandizes us. Why blame those who are miseducated and manipulated? That’s barking up the wrong tree. I get it, I’ve been where you are. It’s frustrating. And it’s difficult to stay focused on the root cause (because of propaganda). Fighting with friends and family, even though you may be right, is fruitless. It’s much better, and more productive, to listen, try to understand where they are misinformed, and try to find common ground. I have influenced many in my life through connecting on an emotional level, and then steering them to constructive conversations of understanding. They want us at each other’s throats.
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If this isn’t bad, what is, douche?
He’s never going to love you no matter how hard you simp for him.
I don’t simp for him, fuck that scumbag.
But I think issues are more complicated than that, because for example Democrats actively supported the genocide too, so it’s not just 1 bad guy.
I don’t know, definitely feels like the democrats passively supported, while Trump seems to want to participate.
Can’t say the democrats were making the right choice, but Trumps stance is objectively worse.
If you call a cease fire, hostage release, and two state solution as “supported the genocide” then… I guess?
I wouldn’t call it that though. You do you I guess.
Ah yes the black and white both sides bad argument. You do know it’s possible for one side to be worse right? So much worse.
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Correct