• kuato@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    4 hours ago

    The very first sentence of the Wiki entry invalidates your argument that EU countries are socialist. They’re not even working toward socialism, because they’re not working toward abolishing private ownership of the means of production. In fact they’ve all been moving in the opposite direction ever since Margaret Thatcher. They’ve been privatizing things that had been public.

    • cm0002@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      4 hours ago

      I get what you’re saying about the technical definition, but when most people talk about ‘socialism’ today, they’re thinking of the European model of strong social programs and regulated capitalism - aka social democracy. That’s the common usage I was working with. Could I have been more precise with terminology? Sure.

      But that doesn’t change my main point about tankies, they reject even that moderate approach in favor of turning the dial to 11 and pushing authoritarian systems like China’s at the sacrifice of human rights and freedoms (and overlooking/denying them when said regimes do it), which is exactly what I was criticizing.

      • kuato@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        3 hours ago

        The Western capitalist states just did a twenty year long “war on terror” based on lies, causing the deaths of millions, and are complicit in supporting a 15 month long genocide of Palestinians, and you’re super-concerned about China’s human rights abuses as reported by those same Western states, which are virulently anti-communist and known to push BS anti-communist narratives for the last century?

        Neither Washington nor Beijing, but actually Washington.

        • cm0002@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          3 hours ago

          The difference is nobody’s denying (well I’m sure the right-wing nut jobs are anyways) it.

          And also now you’ve just devolved into the classic tankie “whataboutism” as if what the West does at all excuses what China/Russia are doing.

          The censorship and suppression of freedoms in China are well documented.