Just go the vote, and make sure your family and friends go to give their votes.

I’m not local, I cannot vote over here, but had seen multiple times in modern times voter suppression has been a big deal, it’s easier to make you not to bother to vote than change your mind who to vote.

I had worked brexit UK, where people voted it due they weren’t happy about the PM. As it was good time to vote against him. Without thinking what brexit actually was. So use your voice by voting. What do you wish the future of country will be in this new era.

I know German has issues, as every Europe union contries. If the problems are easy to solve they would have been solved already, don’t belive one tag line promises.

I’m just wanna say, as a fellow user. Just go to vote.

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    but had seen multiple times in modern times voter suppression has been a big deal

    Voter Suppression isn’t really a thing in Germany. You are automatically registered to vote, and absentee voting is also really easy. Fill out a form online, get the ballot per Mail and return it with a postage-already-paid envelope

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      Sorry, but as someone who had their vote suppressed this time due to impossible short mail voting times (and this not being the first time) I have to sadly disagree. If you live abroad and not somewhere close to an German embassy, voting is usually not feasible without a lot of time and money involved. And without residency in Germany you are also not automatically registered for voting.

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        That’s not voter suppression, it’s a risk you take when moving outside of Germany. The German state can’t guarantee that you can easily vote if you move outside of its jurisdiction.

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          It affects all kinds of people depending on mail in vote this time including some that live in Germany. The federal voting commission has even explicitly warned about it.

          As there is a strong correlation between mail in votes and progressive voters, and it was the CDU that enforced this faster than actually possible election, it is a classic case of voter supression.

          And that is only the tip of the iceberg. There are a lot of other subtile ways in how the German government suppresses votes from people that are not living in the same small German village the last 20 years or so.

          Voter suppression is not some big conspiracy, it is about people not caring enough to improve something because it ultimatly benefits them to keep it as it is.

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        People who live abroad permanently shouldn’t be able to vote anyways. Also Dual Citizenship shouldn’t be allowed

        If you live abroad and not somewhere close to an German embassy, voting is usually not feasible without a lot of time and money involved

        Well if you moved abroad permanently then that’s a tradeoff you need to accept. DHL Express isn’t also that expensive (50-200€)

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          You coudn’t even get the documents to vote in time as the government surely doesn’t use DHL Express, and DHL Express also doesn’t cover a lot of places.

          And it effects anyone that moves abroad temporarily for more than 180 days.

          But anyways, I have the feeling that it is pointless to discuss with someone that is openly suggesting anti-constitutional and borderline racist things here.

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            What is Borderline Racist about my comments?

            I don’t think people should vote, who don’t have to face the consequences of their vote.

            It’s the same things with Turkiye which citizens don’t want Erdogan, but most Turkish Citizens living abroad vote for him. In Hungary and other autocracies it’s the same thing.

            I want a fast path to citizenship for people who want to live permanently here, or EU Citizens who moved to another state.

            But if you take up a citizenship of another state you should loose the German one, unless you have a good point and apply for an exception. That’s how it was a few years ago, and there is nothing unconstitutional about it

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              What is Borderline Racist about my comments?

              The old citizenship laws left millions of people who were born and raised in Germany, who went to school here and who pay their taxes here, and who have never had a home other than Germany without equal rights. So saying you oppose the reforms that finally allow these people to fully participate in our society isn’t a great look.

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                I also wrote that I want a fast path to citizenship for those people, I just said I didn’t like the part of the reform where you don’t have to give back the citizenship anymore when you pick up another

                I want a fast path to citizenship for people who want to live permanently here, or EU Citizens who moved to another state. But if you take up a citizenship of another state you should loose the German one, unless you have a good point and apply for an exception. That’s how it was a few years ago, and there is nothing unconstitutional about it

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              German citizen are german citizen. There are no second class German citizen with lesser voting rights. Suggesting otherwise is clearly unconstitutional and about on the same level as AfD “remigration” plans, especially when you explicitly mention holders of two passports that typically tend to have an immigration background.

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                If you want to die on that hill, then I guess that’s your opinion.

                But if someone emigrates to Switzerland or the US to make more money and pay less taxes and becomes a citizen there, I think it’s fair for them to return their German Citizenship and don’t have a say anymore in how this country is run

                What is not fair in my opinion is making decisions without having to deal with the consequences

                Comparing this with Remigration Plans is completely out of place in my opinion

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                  Right, because there are a few rich people that probably don’t bother to vote anyways, we should strip a substantial part of the German citizens of their voting rights?

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                    Right, because there are a few rich people that probably don’t bother to vote anyways

                    That’s the majority destination of Germans emigrating, according to the German Statistical Office

                    I wrote living abroad permanently. So yes, if you moved abroad permanently , and picked up another citizenship actively, yes I believe you shouldn’t be able to vote anymore in Germany.

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      I think people had a bit old fashioned view of voter suppression. It has been nowdays more pushing certain messages to certain people. I was more ref about the modern ways online, like what happened during brexit. Just search “cambridge analytica + voter suppression” To simple way: spd voters get bombarded about how spd has fucked them years and years, green voters get bombarded how green part don’t do their jobs. To make image that they don’t deserve your vote anymore. Or it’s better to send message by not voting at all. And as this all happens online, based people’s own Internet history, it’s not visible to outsiders. There was few damn good documentaries after brexit how that worked. It’s just using social medias data to send personal message, using adds, promotions, or just algorithms push, based people’s data.