I apologize if this is old news, but I just noticed it. It looks like Kagi has added Fediverse Forums as a default Web search option.

  • MisterFrog@lemmy.worldEnglish
    13·
    2 days ago

    I’d happily pay for search, but Kagi is way too expensive.

    10 searches a day, for $5/month? (US)

    Like, that is way too much.

    I can receive thousands and send thousands of emails per day for that price. Is search really that much more expensive?

    • technopagan@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      6·
      1 day ago

      Have the same issue with them. I recently churned from Kagi after being a paying Pro customer. 10,-/month is simply too much. I’m paying for email (1,-/month) and web hosting (1,-/month) and web search should be in that price range to make it an attractive offer for people.

      I wrote to Kagi saying as much when I churned (also criticizing that most of their changelog messages are about LLM updates for “Ultimate” customers), but they responded saying that they believe in their offer and that the trajectory of new users signing up gives them confidence.

      I am, however, not willing to shell out Streaming Service level pricing (services that stream hundreds of GB to me every month) for some web searches.

      As much as it pains me due to Brave being involved in the whole crypto scam business and their CEO apparently being another a**hole tech fascist, I am using Brave Search for now. Its results were not inferior when I compared them to Kagi and I don’t need 95% of all the extra fluff that Kagi offers.

      As soon as there’s an offer for private search results with their own index that is not censored nor ad-driven, that company (maybe Kagi!) will have my money. But it needs to be commodity-priced like mail or hosting.

    • douglasg14b@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      1 day ago

      $10/m is unlimited searches though…

      And yeah, searches are actually quite expensive. There’s a LOT of infrastructure that goes into making something unique with your own search engine that isn’t just a wrapper over Google.

      The actual compute cost per search, in 2024, was $0.0125. Kagi states they want to keep Costa below $0.015 per search, but their search partners are a major expense.

      That ofc ignores all the supporting infra, devs, support…etc that goes into making it all possible.

      • MisterFrog@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        1 day ago

        The business model just doesn’t make sense then (using search partners).

        Because $60, let alone $120 US, a year is far more than most people would be willing to pay.

        Dunno what to say, it’s just more than most people can justify paying for the service.

        I’m gonna stick with DuckDuckGo and the newly free mullvad cached search

        • douglasg14b@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          7 hours ago

          I mean, the business model works? They make money, they pay staff, and they are growing.

          I don’t know what you’re talking about, people have price sensitivity of course. You are projecting yours onto “everyone”, is it not a successful business?

          There’s a niche they cater to, if you are not that niche then you are not that niche. Doesn’t mean the niche doesn’t exist.

          • MisterFrog@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            3 hours ago

            Sure, but I’m still feeling like complaining that there isn’t a business that’s made affordable pay-to-search a thing. (That I know of)

            I’m not taking back that $120 USD/year for search is way more than most people would be willing to pay

            Though yeah, I suppose saying their business model isn’t working was hyperbolic, I must admit.