I just got a ZSA Moonlander and I’ve been… on an adventure with it. Turns out my typing technique was total garbage so I’ve had to essentially start re-learning how to touch type. That, plus the ortho layout, plus the other ways my layout is now changed (special chars) has made the learning curve feel steep.
Going through all this has made me wonder some things about the long-term, and so I was hoping to lean on folks with more experience for some answers.
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Does learning to touch type on ortho (or a new layout w/ thumb clusters and such) mess with your ability to touch type on normal staggered boards? I still use my laptop when I travel and there is no shot I’ll be lugging around an ergo board.
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Is it worth going crazy with it and trying to learn workman or colemak at the same time? On some level I feel like it might not be that much harder, since it feels like I’m re-learning to touch type anyway.
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Would it be better to start with a keyboard that’s just split, but otherwise the same (Instead of ortho and alternative layout etc)? And maybe later move on to a crazier layout?
I’m on the same journey.
I started with like 9wpm at the start, no shit, now I’m up to 60-70 after around 2 months.
If I’m in meetings at work or watching YouTube /tutorials I’m just practising on the side. Important to get the muscle memory and rolls going.
I’ve found going between words slow, but typing the words fast (after a small pause) helpful in gaining speed. It’s all about the rolls.
Once I forget about the keyboard a bit and don’t notice it for like 6months, I might try a new layout, but not rushing, I think even ortho split will provide much more comfort than I’m used to. Let alone the options for layers etc with ZMK
From my experience:
- I typed around 60 WPM before on a standard keyboard, now it’s barely 25. It may be because I don’t use standard keyboards at all anymore though.
- I learnt colemak with my first split keyboard since it seemed like if I was going to learn a new layout, then I should commit to it entirely. I think keeping AZERTY (since I’m french baguette haha) would have just made me even slower on standard keyboards because there wouldn’t be much difference with my normal workflow. Separating the two layouts entirely seems better to me, but you might also say keping the same layout to some extent is better.
- I went from a full-size keyboard to my monkeyboard, gradually removed keys (left row, top row, inner thumb keys) and now I’m at 34 keys with my triboard. But making the jump could also have worked seems it’s a complete change anyway.
Thanks all who replied and shared their experiance! For now, I’m going to learn colemak dh and keep trying on the learning curve. From what I’ve tried so far, it seems like my problems with the ortho keyboard were mostly due to my bad form on qwerty. Now that I’m learning colemak (with proper form) it seems like I can pretty much swap between ortho and staggered without much issue. Now I just have to build the muscle memory for the new layout!
Before: ~110-120wpm, but shit accuracy
Right after switching: <30wpm
A month after switching: ~60wpm
Now (5 years layer): ~90-100wpmI also couldn’t type for crap on a regular keyboard after acclimating to my compact and ergo boards, but that came back. Now I’m able to switch between all of my boards (and my laptop’s built-in) more or less interchangeably. I don’t really care about the lost speed, it’s still plenty fast enough for what I do - I’m a programmer, I spend more time thinking about code than writing it.
FYI I switch between a regular 60%, my laptop, an Iris (so thumb clusters) and a Planck.
several people have used the switch to ortholinear/columnar as a chance to learn a new layout (Colemak-DH being a popular choice) – from most of the reports, the context switching between QWERTY on row-stagger and Colemak-DH on columnar seems to be enough to keep your muscle memory from confusing the two
usually the biggest issue with switching to an alternate like Dvorak, Colemak, Workman, etc. is not the muscle memory but the availability of keycaps – you either have to shell out for an extra “typist” keycap set or settle on only using flat profiles (DSA, XDA, KAM, SA row 3, etc.) – if you are touch typing, it shouldn’t matter, but there’s still the aesthetics of the whole thing …
I’m about a month in on a Keyboardio Model 100 and I absolutely love the shape of the key caps.
I am in the process of building 2 Sofles (I’ll be looking to sell one) and the fact that my key caps from Keyboardio don’t fit the Sofle’s spacing has me considering modifying the sofle V2 to follow the exact spacing as the Model 100 so I can use the same amazingly sexy key caps on it.
availability changes by month, but if you’re willing to go custom and don’t need legends, Asymplex gets a lot of rave reviews – most especially for their ChicagoSteno profile for Choc, but their DES profile for Cherry might be closer to the Model 100 profile
- It hasn’t affected my ability to use a normal keyboard. Using my laptop to type occasionally probably helps with this.
- Can’t help you, I stuck with QWERTY
- My favorite feature of my ergo keyboard is the fact that it is split, so I could see the appeal of a split but otherwise normal keyboard. But, I would recommend sticking with the Moonlander. It took me 2 weeks until I was comfortable typing after I switched. Not fast mind you, just comfortable. Then maybe another month until I didn’t have to look down for special keys. Definitely a time investment, but worth it in my opinion.
