While the provided list is more of an example than anything, I have the impression there is countless historical records of possible sightings - From ancient descriptions of legendary flying fire chariots to paintings containing objects surprisingly similar to modern descriptions of UFO’s.
We know people describe unknown events with the best words they have. Modern examples can be when firescene investigations get testimonies that “The fire jumped from seat to seat”. Does fire even have legs to jump with? I would not be surprised if ancient stories about “wheels within wheels” or “Flying chariots of fire” could be describing events they simply didn’t have words for.
With all of the stories that could be interpreted as ancient stories of UFO’s, even if just a small percentage of the are real - It would mean the UFO phenomenon have interacted with earth for at least thousands of years.
What is your thoughts on this, anything to it? Do you have different estimates? Do you think the phenomena started in 1947? Is it all just a pop-cultural mediaindustrial hoax complex?
You have to remember ancient people had about .000001% of a modern human’s general knowledge and visual references when describing their experiences. Also there was no eye doctor so by adulthood a lot of people had untreated visual issues. Look at how ancient descriptions of manatees somehow became beautiful women with fins. Read descriptions of elephants by Romans seeing them for the first time thinking they were stone monsters. And that’s all assuming people are sober and in reasonably good mental health.
Ancient accounts of ‘UFOs’ are no different than ancient accounts of angels or demons. There’s reasonable evidence that they are descriptions of known phenomenon and zero evidence that they are paranormal.
I believe this is the logical stance to take; however, it’s enjoyable to speculate. If UAPs are of non-prosaic explanations, then perhaps it would be perfectly reasonable to look back at our history, specifically at these ancient depictions, through a different lens.
From the descriptions of the vimanas of ancient India to the depictions of celestial crafts in meso-america, I’d argue there are quite a lot of material that falls outside of “reasonably explained”. I’ll even argue that disputes over the original function or intention of ancient objects are not uncommon, even outside the “potential alien stuff” category.
I’m also a bit surprised you put both UFO’s and angels/demons in the same category. Would you not agree that there’s a lot of evidence accepted by modern science for UFO’s, not so much for angels and demons?
In the sense that some flying objects are unidentified, or more appropriately- that some aerial phenomenon are unidentified- of course. But as far as common ‘UFO speculation’ about UAP- no. There’s as much evidence that UAP represent angels or demons as anything else.
Of course the case for angels vs aliens in the universe is a different conversation. But in terms of assuming that unidentified phenomenon necessarily represent ‘flying objects’ moving in ways that defy even theorized properties of any material, or that these assumptions can be explained by the presence of advanced technological intelligence on Earth- ‘its aliens’ is about as well supported as ‘its angels’.
Again I think you’re misrepresenting what is confirmed or reasonable to assume isn’t alien technology as representative for everything in the field, just like with dismissing any ancient accounts of what some people interpret as spacecrafts/vehicles etc. as reasonably explained.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts though, it’s always interesting to hear other points of view.
No ‘physics defying’ object has ever been confirmed, even as an object. It’s all based on assumptions that observation of unidentified phenomenon represent physical objects. So there is literally as much evidence that ‘physics defying’ UAP are ghosts as aliens.