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Russia was banned from competing within a week of their invasion of Ukraine yet, Israel is still allowed to compete?
It’s a joke…
Votes were always political BS, they ban a bunch of very legitimate things like the pride flag and Palestine flag, yet they don’t mind having a country in the process of committing genocide in it.
Look, the 7.10 was terrible, Israel had every right to fight back. But genocide is genocide and it is not self defense.
Fuck Hamas, fuck Israel and fuck the Eurovision.
Israel had every right to fight back
Maybe after a third year of Livestreamed genocide people will stop saying this stupid shit.
7.10 was the armed resistance of a colonial concentration camp broke out and attacked the fascist ethno supremacist state in an act of SELF DEFENSE. You can condemn individual acts of violence, but Israel is the aggressor and history doesn’t begin on 7 October.
What a load of BS. It was a terrorist attack on civilians.
The Israel-Palestine conflict has been goibg on for long, Israel is to blame for a lot of it, some of the attacks by Hamas can be categorized as resistance, the 7.10 was a pure terrorist attack, no two ways about it.
Targeting civilians based on which side of the border they reside in is a terrorist attack, this applies to both sides. On the 7th Hamas murdered who ever they found, including Muslims.
Civilians that happen to be occupation military and their families living on illegally occupied land around the concentration camp in what they themselves describe as a buffer zone and a first line of defense when the colonized inevitably break out of the concentration camp?
Those civilians? The literal human shields put there by the state?
You can condemn individual attacks and label them “terrorist” even, but you when you insist history begins on that day and give Israel the “right to defend itself”, you’re whitewashing genocide.
Nat Turner’s rebellion was described the way you describe October 7 today, and people will describe you as the tone deaf Nazi sympathizers tomorrow, as we describe your like back in Turner’s day.
The right of self defense belongs to the Palestinians, the occupied, the people without an army fighting a fascist ethno-supremacist nuclear super power, not the other way around.
Sure, because as everyone knows, theses cases are so clear cut and there is alwas a good side that does no wrong and a bad side that does only wrong.
Maybe you are too close to the problem, I don’t know your story, but from the side it is obvious that the 7.10 was hate fueled terrorism (you can see them even shooting friendly dogs) just as it is clear that right now there is a genocide going on.
It’s so hard to voice this opinion online. Both are the bad guys and really fucking bad ones at that. Clear as day.
There are no good guys. Just bad guys and maaaany innocent victims.
Yeah, it was also clearly political before, like Ukraine’s win tbh
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They should have been thrown out once it got clear that their response to October 7 turned into a genocide.
They’re not in Europe, so they should have never been eligible to participate.
This is not the reason why they should be out. They are a part of the EBU and therefore eligible.
The war and genocide is a clear violation though and got Russia kicked pretty fast when they invaded Ukraine
They should be thrown out of EBU and any other European association a long time ago.
Well akshually you only need to be within the European Broadcasting Area to participate; Middle Eastern countries other than Israel just don’t.
Then how does Australia get a pass?
They’re a long time affiliate member of the EBU and big Eurovision fans, they were invited for the 60th Eurovision (IIRC) to mark the event and they’ve just stuck around.
And I am really glad they did. They often brought some cool stuff on the stage.
This, it would be interesting to extend this special status and have a different guest country every year.
Meh, same goes for Australia, but I see your point.
The very simple fact Israel, a middle eastern country, is allowed in an European event, raises the fact that it is allowed because populated by (mostly) settlers of European descent.
Lebanon is not allowed, albeit being closer.
Turkey is not allowed, albeit having a part of its territory in Europe.
Cool disinformation.
Any country is allowed if they are full members of the European Broadcasting Union or paid ‘associate Members’ that are invited to compete by the EBU.
Lebanon is absolutely allowed - as are any EBU full members. However their national broadcaster has declined to join the contest due to their own laws prohibiting the transmission of any Israeli content, and their concerns of this being impossible with Israel being members of the competition.
Turkey has been part of Eurovision over 30 times and even won and hosted the competion in 2004. They withdrew in 2013 citing criticisms with the rules of the competition and have not competed since - their government’s choice, so blame Erdogan.
Australia participates in Eurovision
Ban Russia from everything, but obviously Israel is a “special case” where the rules of humanity has been suspended so they may do unto others, what was done to them.
what was done to them.
Israel is not governed by holocaust survivors. They just like to pretend it is in order to use misplaced sympathy as a “get away with anything” card
If Eurovision is non-political, invite Russia back to participate.
No fucking chance. The hypocrisy is astounding. Butchering innocent people is okay when the perpetrator is friendly to the west.
Well, 11 out of 37 total Eurovision participants are under threat of direct russian attack in the future, two of which already attacked and under occupation i.e. Georgia and Ukraine, so you’d ignore that at your own risk. Most eurovision countries have greater (urgent) self-interest in grounding russia before doing the same with israel, but I wouldn’t say it is impossible, especially as genocide bibi starts to blame everyone for every stupid thing he does and diplomatic relations deteriorate.
It’s technically not countries participating, but broadcasters and they need to be independent of state control. The russian broadcasters were not kicked out for the russian invasion of Ukraine, but for being state controlled. They were accused of this for a long time and the invasion was the final straw.
It’s technically not countries participating, but broadcasters and they need to be independent of state control
So…same problem as the geography question then. How the fuck does Australia participate? As best I can tell, it’s broadcast here on SBS, a state-owned broadcaster.
The person you replied to said that the needed to be independent of state control, not that they couldn’t be state owned.
I don’t know about SBS but it is broadcast on BBC One in the UK which is also state owned but is not directly controlled by the state.
I think there’s a difference between state-owned and state-funded.
That’s right, you’re making a point. Now, though, people in the comments will explain to you why you’re wrong…
It’s bots
A lot of fascists in each country voting in unison for Israel while non-fascists votes got split up between all the other participants.
Exactly. Fraud is not necessary to explain this result.
MoroccanOil is main sponsor of Eurovision, and it is Israeli company.
It’s all about he money, babyy
How much money an obscure cosmetics company (never heard before today, from the name I assumed it was something like Saudi Aramco) is paying that they can’t find another sponsor that pays the same or even more?
They have $750M revenue, definitely they can spend tens of millions in advertising .
Edit: tried to also get some info how much money EBU (owner of Eurovision) does. Seems that they don’t make them public any more, which is bit sus. 2021 was last that I found and they made around $400M, and “other revenue” were I assume advertisement deals are was $50M.
I wouldn’t call them obscure. Their hair products are very well known. Hoping they aren’t as popular anymore, but I don’t have that kind of trust in people…
I hope my country stops participating in Eurovision. There’s no saving it.
It’s sad but most people just don’t care. They will go to Qatar to watch football at stadiums built using slave labor and they will go to a song contest with Israel in it. As long as tickets are selling nothing will change.
Lol, just now? Eurovision has been political charade the entire fucking time. It’s not “best artist wins” it’s friend countries voting for eachother.
Being a popularity contest is not a problem. It’s always been like that, it’s “whatever”. Like it, don’t like. Doesn’t matter.
But Israel manipulating votes to “artwash” genocide is a whole different bag of cats, and very wrong.
Agreed. It’s disgusting.
When countries vote for their neighbour, that is usually not enough to change the end result. The most popular song usually still wins. But Israel is assembling political votes all across Europe. Only a few percent of the voters need to be rallied to completely overtake the public votes. Also considering that Israel supporters are motivated to vote 20 times, people voting for their favorite song will likely only vote a few times, if at all.
Yes, Eurovision has always been political to some degree, but it hasn’t really swayed the results this much ever before.
Its gotten worse for every year
Why is a non-European country in the contest at all?
It’s organised by the EBU, which has included Israel since 1957: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Broadcasting_Union
why are any countries but greece in the olympics?
because times change and events transform to include more people who enjoy participating
From memory something to do with the range of broadcasting. Not sure.
perhaps to begin with (the distinction is members of or invited by the EBU so broadcast range seems reasonable), but given that australia participates now the criteria seems like it’s changed
I thinks it’s now more about style of the song than where the singer is from.
Bye losers, some/most of the israelis citizens don’t even stand up against genocide by their own leader, **** off then
Was Elon Musk and/or Starlink involved?
The reason we don’t have a Western Hemisphere version is because it would be too much to watch everyone wash Drake in Spanish, French, Navajo, Portuguese, various indigenous languages, etc. Give that man some time to reconsider his decisions. Imagine getting roasted by one of the last speakers of an endangered Mayan dialect. That’s too much. And DJ Mustard has a busy schedule. He can’t make beats for every culture.
