Whoever is in charge of that instance, STOP.
It’s an instance that crossposts posts from Reddit, except it also makes a new user for each Reddit account it came from. So if /u/hello123 made a post, it makes that post under a new account called hello123. That makes it impossible to block posting bots.
Not only that, it makes posts look like they’re posted by real people, with many question and text posts being copied as well. I was very confused as to what these posts were until I realized they’re crossposts.
Examples:
https://lemm.ee/u/pocalyuko@alien.top
https://lemm.ee/u/ItzMeRocket@alien.top
https://lemm.ee/u/CaptainCapp-n@alien.top
I strongly believe Lemmy isn’t the place for mirroring content from other websites. You can host your own alternate Reddit frontend like LibReddit, there’s no reason to spam the posts to everyone using Lemmy just because 5 people asked for it. Not to mention there are already enough instances mirroring posts, this is getting obnoxious.
So you think creating new accounts for every post instead of just using a bot is a good idea? Why?
The account is meant to be taken over by the corresponding redditor. alien.top already has 100+ users who came from Reddit this way.
So every cross-post is happening after a Redditor has confirmed they want a Lemmy account in their name?
No. Separate actions.
Sounds like that’s a big part of the problem right there then.
Accounts should either be claimed by real people, or be bot accounts. There shouldn’t be “ghost” accounts that may or may not be claimed.
That’s definitely one of the most objectionable and puzzling things about this. I wouldn’t feel comfortable about someone making an account in another site using my username and cloning my content without my knowledge - surely wouldn’t give me a good impression of that site or encourage me to sign up there (using my reddit credentials to do so, also).
Are you familiar with the history of how Brazil got rid of hyperinflation in the 90’s by creating an imaginary currency tied to the Dollar?
Think of the ghost accounts as the intemediate step. They are meant to work for people that are signing up and encounter some content. Without them, people would join the communities and not find anything to browse, so they bounce anyway.
lets be honest: if someone were to post on reddit, and that webscraper copies the post and THEIR USERNAME onto an alternative service without prior consent, what is the reaction you should expect?
a) oh wow thats helpful thank you very much i will now drop reddit forever
or
b) your post and account stealing crapshoot of a server can go die in a ditch for all i care
i can assure you, most people will choose b), and even people who might have chosen a) will first hear about it from the pissed off group.
I believe your activism comes from the right place, but i think it’s actively harmful, even if you ignore that it annoys people in the fediverse itself.
Don’t forget alternative c) the people who sign up through alien.top are not the people who are getting their content mirrored.
Also, it’s important to point out that the best way to stop the mirroring is by simply logging out and taking over their account. The process is as simple as possible, people don’t even need to create a password. All they need is to claim their account.
It is the exact same approach that Facebook did with Threads by leveraging Instagram.
my point stands, its bad publicity and will not help growing lemmy organically.
Its nice that meta, the nice little family run company did that. /s
noone asked meta to do that. it’s a hostile move.
noone asked YOU to do that. it’s a hostile move too.
you are using strategies of a megacorp with a reputation of crapping all over everything the fediverse stands for. i would recommend you start less doing and more thinking, and not on a technical level, but on the morality of your decisions. as you can see in the overwhelming negative responses (except for the ppl using you as their personal reddit-rss-feed) and the defederations, your actions already lead to the isolation of your instance, which will hurt your users too.
ETA: just wanted you to know that do think that your service is neither GDPR-compliant nor CCPA-compliant. i don’t know if you checked with your lawyer before, but i’m pretty sure you don’t have a process for deletion requests, since you don’t have a privacy policy posted, which is where that info should be if you had any to give. (The data you copied over is another can of problems, namely reddits lawyers, who probably reserve all rights to make your life pretty sucky)
Having a better understanding of what you’re trying to do I think you make great points all around and it’s a very noble and proactive attempt to drive users to Lemmy.
Obviously there’s some communication gaps but I hope you don’t let the haters get you down. Your intentions are obviously good, and you’ve put a lot of thought and effort into the execution to create a bridge that goes beyond just sharing content from Reddit.
Not sure I follow how an unclaimed ghost account solves this problem vs. that unclaimed account being marked as a bot
Imagine you are big on some niche community which exists on Reddit (let’s say, e.g, /r/civ)
You want to leave Reddit, you hear about Lemmy.
You sign up.
You go to browse.feddit.de and look for Civilization communities.
You find !civ@lemmy.ca and !civ@lemm.ee, both of which with no activity in the last 3 months, and most posts are more about people trying to figure out what to talk about instead of actually talking about the thing that the community is supposed to be about. Not only this is confusing (do you need to have any relationship to either lemmy.ca and lemm.ee to join? Why are there two separate communities? If these communities are dead, should I create yet-another one?) but don’t you think that the most common reaction would be simply to drop the whole effort and just go back to browsing Reddit?
Now, contrast this with the scenario where fediverser.network has compiled a comprehensive map of all these niche subreddits and can point to at least one lemmy community, and also where the mirroring is using these bots to post relevant content to all of these communities.
Now you can sign up to any instance, and you check what would be the recommended community to replace your favorite subs. You go and !civ@level-up.zone (yeah, I just created it). If the alien.top bots were running, the community would already have at least the 14 posts that were created on Reddit today and made to their front page.
And if you decide to join Lemmy by using alien.top itself, all of that could be made automatically. If you had 50 subreddits, you would be automatically subscribed to all the relevant 50 Lemmy communities, you wouldn’t even need to worry about having to figure out which-subreddits-map-to-which-lemmy-communities and your feed would be customized.
I don’t know about you, but to me the second case seems like a much better onboarding experience and I’d be a lot more likely to stick around if that was a reality.
Okay but that doesn’t answer my question. How does making a ghost account that may or may not be claimed for each post make that possible but marking that account as a bot unless it’s been claimed by a human would not?
If the posts are from a Reddit community’s few actual posters and none from any of the posters on Lemmy instances, what’s the incentive to switch over to Lemmy? Moreover, if someone’s mainly a poster, aren’t you only encouraging them to stay on Reddit and post as they know there’s someone handling mirroring their posts elsewhere for them?
I’ve read over the discussions around this and I can sort of see where you’re coming from for some of the few folks that want to lurk and browse Reddit stuff via Lemmy apps or the like, but I’m struggling to see how much it really helps different Lemmy instances draw more posters. This may help bring lurkers over, but from what I can tell, there’s not much of a problem with people lurking across Lemmy, but more of a poster problem, in terms of having a greater variety of people posting and commenting.
Ah, no, I’d come and see “okay, this site has a couple inactive communities about civ and one that’s just copied from reddit with nobody actively commenting”. Pretty unclear why you think that would be better. I’d prefer to make posts in the genuine Lemmy communities personally, not one filled with spooky clone accounts. If I wanted the reddit content, that’s what reddit is for.
How did they find out about it? Are they still active? So they wonder why people keep defederating and blocking
No. I just think the person I replied to was rude.
But that means you were being rude back 😱
Guilty as charged.