I’m visiting my parents for the holidays and convinced them to let me switch them to Linux.
They use their computer for the typical basic stuff; email, YouTube, Word, Facebook, and occasionally printing/scanning.
I promised my mom that everything would look the same and work the same. I used Linux Mint and customized the theme to look like Windows 10. I even replaced the Mint “Start” button with the Windows logo.
So far they like it and everything runs great. Plus it’s snappier now that Windows isn’t hogging all the system resources.
Not worth it. You will end up playing the h support when something goes wrong.
My parents would ask me for tech support anyway no matter the OS. I have them update software and update Firefox and Chromium and their Netflixing will keep working, been very low stress generally.
As if I’m not already doing that. Why do you think I was home working on my parent’s computer in the first place?
Plus with how shitty Windows is getting, I’ll likely be doing less tech support going forward.
I set up Mint on my parent’s PC a couple of years ago, and the amount of support I have had to provide has dropped to basically zero.
Probably doing that anyway
I don’t know, maybe?
I play support now, and have for decades. Sometimes windows can be a bear.
Maybe, for basic usage like this, Linux can make sense if it’s well thought out?
I have an older (80’s) family friend who recently switched from a laptop to an iPad, and seems OK with it (surprisingly).
Typically all of us who switched our relatives to Linux were doing support anyway — but it’s much easier than Windows.
Windows needs constant handholding like a needy pet (and not the cute kind). With Linux I spend extended periods of time without having to do anything. I get like one major issue a year, and it’s usually hardware related. The only questions I get occasionally are “do you know an app that does thing”.
There’s no difference if they are on windows
Oh yeah. https://tadeubento.com/2023/linux-desktop-a-collective-delusion/
Make me use windows and I will write a similar blog post about me hating every second of it. But I don’t have to, so I won’t.
The part about dragging and dropping files like its the 90s, instead of just pushing to your git repo was funny.
Cmon, this isn’t a compatible and good enough alternative:
It is something that will just give you issues down the line when people expect documents to look consistent.
Firstly, there’s no guarantee that a document would look exactly the same even within different versions of MS Office itself. Also, try opening any complex document in MS Office on macOS for instance, and you’ll most likely notice issues or differences compared to the Windows version. In my old sysadmin job, where I used a Mac, we had a standard “change control” template that we had to fill out when doing infrastructure changes, and the radio buttons used in the form didn’t work on the macOS version of Office. So issues like this are pretty common. These sort of issues are why people either normally ignore them OR in the case that layout/formatting is critical (eg: for publishing/printing), then they’d use PDF or TeX or similar formats, where the formatting is preserved.
Secondly, as @cygnus@lemmy.ca mentioned, use OnlyOffice if MSO compatibility is important. Below is a screenshot I captured of a recreated Lorem Ipsum docx on my Linux machine, with MS Office Online (running on Edge) on the left and OnlyOffice on the right.
As you can see, they’re virtually identical - and any difference in the sizing etc would come down to the fact that I’m running the web version of MSO, so the zoom/scaling may not exactly match that of OO. But other than that, if you check the spacing and everything else, it’s pretty accurate.
Finally, in saying that, even OO has it’s limitations and isn’t a 100% replacement for MSO - as it can’t run macros, or may not be able to display certain types of embedded objects in Excel and so on. But then, even the web and Mac versions of MS Office has these sort of limitations. But the average home user wouldn’t normally use macros or advanced features in Office, so for the most part, OO, or even LO should be fine for most users.
Also, just as a reminder, in this thread we’re discussing about how Linux can work fine for most home users, the kind of users who have simple requirements, and aren’t dependent on specific proprietary programs like Photoshop etc. Obviously Linux will not be suitable for every single need or use case out there, but neither is Windows or MacOS - if you have special needs or requirements, then use the tool that’s best for the job. But nitpicking minor differences like this isn’t helping anyone, we’d be sitting here arguing all day about how “X OS sucks because it can’t do Y”, which is a pointless exercise.
Edit: I was curious to see how bad LibreOffice actually was so I just tested it out:
… and that was surprisingly not bad at all! Just one word out of place. But this goes to show how opensource software is ever evolving and constantly improving - so a particular criticisms you may have had in the past may no longer be applicable, unless you test it out yourself against the latest versions.
On my print with version 7.6 it wasn’t just a word out of place. I noticed you’re opening a DOCX and even if it looks better than what I showed it is useless. LibreOffice refuses to save in DOCX meaning I can’t edit documents.
Not improving at all, you just did the wrong test :P
Um… that’s NOT a refusal, it’s just a warning. Clicking on that highlighted button will save the DOCX.
To not get the warning again, all you have to do is untick the checkbox which says “ask when not saving on ODF” - it’s there right in your screenshot.
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Use OnlyOffice if looking like MS Office is that important.
Different people have different workflows. Documents is something I create using LaTeX and Emacs Org Mode. I have almost no use for things like word processors. I spend most of my day in a text editor and using windows would slow Emacs down. I don’t expect everyone to work like I do, so you should not assume that everyone uses word processors for their work. Libreoffice Writer is totally sufficient for the rare occurences in which I want to use one. I am the only Linux user at my workplace, all the others use Windows or MacOS and so far I have never used anything except Linux in my professional life. If you need specific features from word, excel or need to install Photoshop or games, I understand your need for a different operating system. My needs are different, I need a system which I can adapt to my wishes.
I made an account to post this link: https://piped.video/watch?v=urcL86UpqZc
This is a fantastic video, a coworker was reminded of me immediately , when he watched it. 😂
Also: welcome and have fun participating with your new account. 🙂
Respect for the dedication! And welcome on Lemmy!
With that I agree.
This article seems misguided, people pick their OS because of what they need. I can list many things with subpar experience on Windows: emacs suck; latex is slow; libreoffice and thunderbird crashes like nobody’s bushiness; opam is straightup unsupported (which means ocaml, dune, coq is a pain); there is absolutely nothing in the app store, means that people will need to resort to commandline tools to install and update app.
All of this obviously will not decrown Windows from a OS with mass appeal. Since the software most people need runs well on windows.
Another example, in my crowd it is quite rude to send a docx file between people assuming people want to use or have access to Microsoft office, so everything is in PDF. Yet in many other crowd docx is the default. We were never bounded by the need of a specific office software, while others do not enjoy the same luxury.
There is needs by different groups of people, and that means they choose the OS that is most comfortable for them. Linux is not going to have 70% desktop adoption rate overnight, and no one is saying that. In fact both the quote in the article and this post explicitly dismissed “linux is ready for everyone” delusion. They are just comfortable in Linux, and what is wrong with that?
In 99% of cases I have seen, people pick their OS because it came preinstalled
Are they really picking their OS then?
But yes I agree, most people will just use what they have and Windows is the standard because they made sure it would become the standard.
Well the article lists at least 8 groups of people with real and common professions that can’t run on Linux because it wont cut it.
Yeah, Linux isn’t for everyone yet people here on Lemmy defend it like a religion.
It depends a lot. If you are never using MSOffice for anything other than the most basic writing Libreoffice does cut it. Linux overall does just work for the most part if the person using it just plans on using the browser anyway. Everything else is spot on tho.
And funny thing about the gaming performance bit, I’m no expert and this is anecdotal, but my games actually run better on Linux than Windows by default. Dunno why
Does it tho? It can even render a simple, unformatted bullet list consistently:
With this I agree 100%.
Doesn’t look like a important difference to me, rich text documents are meant to be adaptive. If you want it to look the same everywhere, export to a pdf.
What a bullshit, try to share a document with someone and then we’ll talk about adaptive documents.
We’re talking about Word documents, right? People hate when a line wraps in the information block, or their fold and hole marks move, each time anyone with LibreOffice touches their letters. Or their crop, bleed, registration, fold marks, color bars, and safety margins when they print anything professionally. Sorry people, but Word documents require precision sometimes. They look the same, even across several major Word versions. If LibreOffice can’t guarantee that, then you can’t use LibreOffice in an MS Office environment where precision is necessary, and this starts with letters.