Default instance blocks should largely replace defederation

Since what content users might want to see is quite unlikely to match which servers the admins tolerate, choosing instance on the Fediverse can be quite complicated, which is inconvenient and off-putting for new users.

For this reason, and simply that the Fediverse is stronger united, I believe defederation should ideally be reserved for illegal content and extreme cases. If Fediverse platforms would allow instances to simply block the rest for users by default, the user experience would be the same, unless they decide otherwise.

@fediverse #fediverse #defederation

  • Masimatutu@mander.xyz
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    8
    ·
    11 months ago

    With blocking instances I mean also blocking all the users on that instance, which is the case on all platforms that allow it.

    • givesomefucks@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      4
      ·
      11 months ago

      That makes even less sense…

      Like, if that’s really what it does, then it’s exactly what defederation is…

      • Masimatutu@mander.xyz
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        8
        ·
        11 months ago

        Yes, but at least the user has the choice to reverse it for themselves, which I explained in the post.

        • givesomefucks@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          10
          ·
          edit-2
          11 months ago

          So…

          You want every user of the fediverse to manually opt out of the far right hate instances?

          Alright, fine.

          Make your own instance with that. And if that’s what people want, then they’ll join your instance.

          Problem solved. Super easy.

          • Masimatutu@mander.xyz
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            6
            ·
            edit-2
            11 months ago

            No, I wrote that they could be blocked by default but that the users would have the choice to manually opt in.

            Edit: Also, the problem is that the instances people want to be on don’t always federate with the instances they want to see content from. Adding an extra server which people have no reason to want to join doesn’t solve anything.

            • givesomefucks@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              9
              ·
              11 months ago

              Sorry, the more you clarify the worse it gets.

              You want instances to use up their server space for shit the vast majority will never even see?

              And admins would have to have it unblocked, otherwise they’re hosting a bunch of shit from problematic instances without knowing what it is. Which, worst case scenario, could have legal ramifications.

              No need to keep clarifying, I was convinced already this is a terrible idea.

              • Masimatutu@mander.xyz
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                5
                ·
                edit-2
                11 months ago

                Nah, content doesn’t get federated unless someone follows it. And I said it already I’m not for unconditional federation, if instances do illegal things (which gets well documented, no need to observe it directly), of course you should defederate.

                • toothbrush@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  8
                  ·
                  11 months ago

                  Ah, so you want a ‘hard’ defederation, that works just like it does now, and a ‘soft’ defederation, that users could opt to disable? Interesting.

                  However, as others said already, that would mean that servers now also have to federate with other servers that most users and the mods probably dont see, creating difficult moderation challenges…

                  • Masimatutu@mander.xyz
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    4
                    ·
                    11 months ago

                    Now that is a fair criticism. But I suppose it wouldn’t matter all too much since the user decides themselves that they want to see it.