tbh i wish it weren’t my opinion too. but since the occasion presented itself, op is struggling with setting up a software for his needs on linux: i wish there were viable options for his case.
It really isn’t.
maybe i am simple minded, but why do i have to install gparted just so i could partition my disk (in windows disk partition is a given), or have to install fuse so i could run .appimage files; why don’t these functions come preinstalled ? maybe i am now starting to understand why is linux invunerable to viruses: u kinda have to sudo ur way through everything so u could u achieve ur need. maybe i am venting, but as a newcomer from windows, its kinda overwhelming haha: wanna copy to a readonly directroy: sudo cp; edit a readonly file: sudo gedit…even the terminal isnt in favourites, i have to ctrl alt T so i could find it 😭😭 again, i am no dev, and i kinda have a day to spend and work to get to xd
That’s up to your distribution, but typically the answer is ‘users can install it through the package manager if and when they need it’.
Ask them - raise a bug (after checking that there’s no others that exist) and see if there’s a good reason for it!
maybe i am now starting to understand why is linux invunerable to viruses: u kinda have to sudo ur way through everything so u could u achieve ur need
Yes, strict separation of user privileges has historically been a reason why Unix-like OSes are harder to compromise, but it’s not a silver bullet.
Windows, for example, still had everyone using an Administrator account for day-to-day stuff until Vista / 7.
maybe i am venting, but as a newcomer from windows, its kinda overwhelming
I’d suggest changing your approach; expecting things to adhere to patterns that you’re familiar with from Windows is not likely to make your life easier.
If you’re comfortable with the terminal, get used to basic commands like cat, grep, find, etc - the command line tools are often more available (and more powerful) than their hypothetical GUI counterpart!
You don’t. The tools to do this without the gui are likely included in your distribution as a base
i could barely do it in gui, let alone in cui. i need colors to know what i am doing (consider me ur average joe!, and i kinda am)
That’s up to your distribution, but typically the answer is ‘users can install it through the package manager if and when they need it’.
please do, i really like to be recommended a distro which comes with many common tools installed.
package manager (if u mean by that snap and the like ?) is buggy as hell, i would rather use terminal than deal with that
Windows, for example, still had everyone using an Administrator account for day-to-day stuff until Vista / 7.
i miss those days, now can’t do nothing with my win 7 :(
If you’re comfortable with the terminal, get used to basic commands like cat, grep, find, etc - the command line tools are often more available (and more powerful) than their hypothetical GUI counterpart!
yea i guess i ll have to: already bookmarked a common sysadmin commands guide, and probably would have to learn more in the process. again as u mentionned, as much as it is tiresome, i start to think the reason why things are the way they are in linux. also i like the harmony between my android and linux apps when syncing: it feels like being in a macos/ios environement on a budget, but with also the advantage of being able to upgrade hardware, and very wide array of apps to choose from, and the open source community willing to offer help.complaining apart, i will dedicate time and effort to learn linux and make the best of it.
also, seeing that ur an admin of an instance, i really wanted to self host…myself too, since i was on linux, but i am kinda following docker guides blindly and didnt get much far with my endeavour so i had to bail for now
I mean tools like apt, yum, dnf, emerge, and pacman, the things you use to install additional software packages onto your system.
It sounds like you’re on the right track. There are differences in how you need to think about Linux administration, but once you get your head around that and some shell familiarity you should be set.
I can offer some assistance on the docker part; look me up on IRC if interested - irc.libera.chat #gentoo-chat (Aussie time though)
i didnt use irc before but i hav a matrix account. nonetheless i ll look up how to reach u through this. and thank you for being easy on me for my linux takes: if linux is to be mass adopted, new comers need to be handled this way, and not to be shamed for their lack of knowledge.
tbh i wish it weren’t my opinion too. but since the occasion presented itself, op is struggling with setting up a software for his needs on linux: i wish there were viable options for his case.
maybe i am simple minded, but why do i have to install gparted just so i could partition my disk (in windows disk partition is a given), or have to install fuse so i could run .appimage files; why don’t these functions come preinstalled ? maybe i am now starting to understand why is linux invunerable to viruses: u kinda have to sudo ur way through everything so u could u achieve ur need. maybe i am venting, but as a newcomer from windows, its kinda overwhelming haha: wanna copy to a readonly directroy: sudo cp; edit a readonly file: sudo gedit…even the terminal isnt in favourites, i have to ctrl alt T so i could find it 😭😭 again, i am no dev, and i kinda have a day to spend and work to get to xd
You don’t need to install gparted, it’s just nicer. But Ubuntu already has something for partitioning. Open start menu, search for “Disks”, that’s it.
Just be careful what partitions you remove/format, but I guess that’s obvious.
i am learning the hard way :/
You don’t. The tools to do this without the gui are likely included in your distribution as a base. Try
gdiskorfdiskorparted.Fuse (Filesystem in Userspace) is a dependency of appimage. https://github.com/AppImage/AppImageKit/wiki/FUSE
That’s up to your distribution, but typically the answer is ‘users can install it through the package manager if and when they need it’.
Ask them - raise a bug (after checking that there’s no others that exist) and see if there’s a good reason for it!
Yes, strict separation of user privileges has historically been a reason why Unix-like OSes are harder to compromise, but it’s not a silver bullet.
Windows, for example, still had everyone using an Administrator account for day-to-day stuff until Vista / 7.
I’d suggest changing your approach; expecting things to adhere to patterns that you’re familiar with from Windows is not likely to make your life easier.
If you’re comfortable with the terminal, get used to basic commands like
cat,grep,find, etc - the command line tools are often more available (and more powerful) than their hypothetical GUI counterpart!i could barely do it in gui, let alone in cui. i need colors to know what i am doing (consider me ur average joe!, and i kinda am)
please do, i really like to be recommended a distro which comes with many common tools installed. package manager (if u mean by that snap and the like ?) is buggy as hell, i would rather use terminal than deal with that
i miss those days, now can’t do nothing with my win 7 :(
yea i guess i ll have to: already bookmarked a common sysadmin commands guide, and probably would have to learn more in the process. again as u mentionned, as much as it is tiresome, i start to think the reason why things are the way they are in linux. also i like the harmony between my android and linux apps when syncing: it feels like being in a macos/ios environement on a budget, but with also the advantage of being able to upgrade hardware, and very wide array of apps to choose from, and the open source community willing to offer help.complaining apart, i will dedicate time and effort to learn linux and make the best of it.
also, seeing that ur an admin of an instance, i really wanted to self host…myself too, since i was on linux, but i am kinda following docker guides blindly and didnt get much far with my endeavour so i had to bail for now
I mean tools like
apt,yum,dnf,emerge, andpacman, the things you use to install additional software packages onto your system.It sounds like you’re on the right track. There are differences in how you need to think about Linux administration, but once you get your head around that and some shell familiarity you should be set.
I can offer some assistance on the docker part; look me up on IRC if interested - irc.libera.chat #gentoo-chat (Aussie time though)
i didnt use irc before but i hav a matrix account. nonetheless i ll look up how to reach u through this. and thank you for being easy on me for my linux takes: if linux is to be mass adopted, new comers need to be handled this way, and not to be shamed for their lack of knowledge.