As an Australian, no we didn’t. We just had it put in context. Jews around the world are great people, the Israeli government and the hardline supporters are absolute monsters. I hope the Australian government tells them as much. Israel deserves no support and everything that may happen when it’s withdrawn.

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    Australia still supports Israel to the hilt. Settler-colonies prop each other up.

    Don’t fall for this.

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      Fascists think that people being born in a place isn’t as important as what history books say the ethnic makeup of a place was in the past.

      Don’t fall for this.

      Most Australians were born in Australia. The people alive today didn’t do the things you’re accusing them of.

      We should learn from history not use it to create grievances in an effort to make people hate. Yes bad things happened in history, like for example the colonization of Australia. We should not repeat those mistakes. But those mistakes can’t be undone so there’s no use in being angry over them. But we can avoid doing those mistakes. Trying to get revenge for historical wrongs committed by past generations is one of those mistakes.

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    Why are we even allied with israel if this is how they treat us. They are like the your most abusive gaslighting ‘friend’.

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      It’s a Guardian article. The Guardian has had Headlines that are incredibly biased against Israel for at at least a few decades now. The trick to reading biased news outlets like the Guardian is to focus mostly on the quotes, and completely ignore inflammatory headlines.

      “The UN and many of its member states, including Australia, voted for a humanitarian ceasefire in Gaza that would only help Hamas to reorganize – a resolution that again failed to condemn Hamas, and again failed to call for the release of all hostages,” Maimon wrote on X on Friday.”

      “Now, listening to the most recent remarks by Australian officials, it seems that Hamas’s culpability has been forgotten – along with the fate of tens of thousands of displaced Israelis and the starvation of Israeli hostages in Gaza."

      When you call for a ceasefire you should recognize that both sides have to agree to it. Basic diplomacy, don’t make out one side as being the bad guy if you want them to agree to something.

      Hamas is holding civilians hostages (which is a war crime), but countries are demanding a ceasefire in way that makes Israel out as being evil.

      It’s a “have you stopped beating your wife?” kind of thing. Putting someone into a situation where no matter what their answer is, they’re in the wrong.

      Imagine you were being held hostage in the underground lair of some psychopaths, being tortured and raped for months. Your government was doing everything thing they could to get you out. Then some countries that hate you and your country demand they stop. Would you want your government to listen to people that hate you and everyone else in your country?

      Calls for a ceasefire that don’t even mention the hostage situation are not serious diplomatic efforts. They’re just political moves, playing for the home crowd, playing for the social media crowd.

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    Hamas being the wrong one? Certainly but they did NOT start it.

    You, Israel did start it certainly. 1948, stealing the land, illegal settlements, driving 750 000 Palestinian out and murdering many. Not to forget the Apartheid that’s been going on ever since then.

    1987 Hamas was created purely because of all what happened in these years. When peaceful revolution is not possible, violent revolution is inevitable.

    Yes. What Hamas did and probably still is doing - is wrong.

    It is also wrong what Israel has been doing ever since they became a “state”, an illegal state.

    The land, the country belongs to the Palestinians. An occupier cannot become its owner.

    You (Israel) is just as (if not worse) bad as Hamas. You the one who is killing thousands upon thousands of people. Genocide.

    That many countries refuse to acknowledge that an actual genocide is happening, does not mean that it is not happening - because it is happening.

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        True story, when you drop your country on a bunch of indigenous people, it’s a crime.

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            No need to relocate. Just make sure they’re able to take part in the governing of their current country. Really, we already looked at this problem in the rest of the world when Colonialism ended after World War 2. Yeah that means Israel isn’t going to be a Jewish country anymore but fuck around and find out.

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                Sure because Israel didn’t blockade Gaza entirely in an effort to prevent Hamas from taking it’s seat as the Palestinian government. And Israel totally didn’t embark on a campaign of assassination and destroying civil infrastructure and personnel.

                You’re beyond gilding the lily at this point. You’re straight up ignoring history and flirting with the idea that Palestinians don’t deserve a government.

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      thank you, honestly nearly deleted it because I felt like it wasn’t exactly impartial but it’s been so upsetting watching it happen. they’re acting like absolute demons, any pretence that Hamas’s actions justify any of this went out the window months ago.

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        I started this conflict in full support of Israel right to protect itself- wars shit and people (including civilians) die, especially when your opponents hide in civilians protected areas.

        But the response is well out of proportion for what they need to do to protect themselves. You don’t need to level blocks and civilians deaths need to be minimized.