Financial Times: “Russia intends to double the number of its troops stationed along its border with the Baltic states and Finland as it prepares for a potential military conflict with NATO within the next decade, according to Estonia’s foreign intelligence service.”

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    If they can’t take Ukraine with the US providing the bare minimum amount of aid the Republicans will allow, I’m curious what they think they can accomplish against our best efforts in an actual war.

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      I’m not curious at all. Let’s just stop this shit already.

      How unlikley is it they’ve held back at minimum one airplane and a big ass bomb (atomic, nuclear, etc, I have no idea) for the USA? Best effort or not, if one thing gets through some people are fucked. Some is more then none and that’s too much.

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        On the other hand the United States has been politically gridlocked for the last 15 years because of Russian puppets. For some of us that’s been as good as a death sentence.

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      Imagine Trump being in office and him basically kneecapping any response to Russian aggression in Europe. He could bring the US to its knees by trying to play wannabe dictator and tying us up dealing with all the civil unrest that will follow from that. Meanwhile, Europe is left to its own devices to try to handle Russia on its own (with Trump even likely providing intelligence to Russia or even withholding aid to Europe, as he’s already promised to do). All signs are kind of pointing to this eventuality if Trump gets elected, and Republicans are too dumb to understand it (or they don’t care, because “F* Europe”, right?).

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          The UK or France alone could devastate Russia. Poland could hold it’s own in a defensive war easily. Turkey could also fuck them up completely.

          If war started in Europe the Russians would be fucked by combined EU forces.

          Europe doesn’t NEED America to defend itself.

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            War isn’t won by forces alone, you also need the economy, morale and political wherewithal to endure and survive the destruction.

            Neither EU country could stomach a prolonged war, possibly only the Baltics and Finland are at all prepared for a couple years of war, and won’t be able to supply their troops for that long without US support.

            Case in point, Europe is giving about half of the total aid for Ukraine, but almost none of the armaments even though it would be far more preferable for relations, training, logistics, and defence. Part of it is that they don’t keep stockpiles, part is that they don’t have the industry to replace ammunition, neither of which bodes well for a prolonged conflict.

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        Even with nuclear warfare.

        I think Putin knows that he can get off five or six nukes on strategic cities to destabilize Europe and America without much additional repercussion, assuming it is already at war with the West.

        The West cannot nuke Russia back because their major retaliatory strike package is automatic, under dead hand control, and would surely cause global nuclear winter.

        Or, maybe the West retaliated and nukes some Russian cities without triggering the dead hand. Putin absolutely doesn’t give a shit if tens of millions of Russian civilians die. It literally will not matter to him in any sense. He will still be a billionaire oligarch living in obscene luxury and will still remain president as a long as he desires.

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      Your best effort? Nuclear armageddon. Both europe and russia will be wiped off of world map. US might be able to survive but some towns will be Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

      That is with your best effort, so save your fucking bullshit.

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    Putin is struggling to hold on to the gains he’s made in a single country. Now he thinks he’s going to take on the rest of the industrialized world at once? Get real. Either launch your nukes or shut the fuck up. Hearing about his delusions of grandeur is so annoying at this point.

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      Putin is struggling to hold on to the gains he’s made in a single country. Now he thinks he’s going to take on the rest of the industrialized world at once? Get real. Either launch your nukes or shut the fuck up. Hearing about his delusions of grandeur is so annoying at this point.

      I don’t support nuclear war but I agree with the sentiment. Bro is a clown and Republicans and their sycophants cucking themselves for a failure as they’ve been demonstrated to be is hilarious. The mental gymnastics must be tiresome.

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        Oh yeah, I’m definitely not advocating for nuclear war. I’m just pointing out that he doesn’t have many other options left. He certainly can’t win a ground war against NATO, even if the US abandons the alliance like Trump seems to want us to do. Basically, if everyone knows you’re full of shit why are you still running your mouth?

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          When people keep taking shit after they’ve been slapped, it’s time to slap them again. The EU really needs to step up, and provide that slap. With even a bit of material support the EU could step up and push Russia 75km into Russian territory and establish a no fly zone.

          Russia’s a joke.

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    I mean i kinda see this as a good thing. After seeing how they faired in ukraine i cant wait to see what poland will do to them (theu still got a lot og historical anger to vent) let alone nato.

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        It would be a nightmare for whoever gets it, because it comes with people, and suddenly you have a new giant voting block who want to see your whole country become part of Russia.

        So, in actuality, neither country wants Kaliningrad.

        This is I think what Russians don’t understand about the insanity of their leaders suggesting “The West” would ever want to invade… That their land could be lost.

        Healthy democratic nations would bend over backwards to avoid taking ownership of any land that comes with Russians. It just isn’t worth it.