• foyrkopp@lemmy.world
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    Depending on your definition, this actually is not peak performance.

    Subways are.

    Obviously, the tunnels are absurdly expensive, but nothing moves as many people as quickly around a city as a subway.

    They’re also extremely reliable, meaning people are even more likely to actually use them, and their above-ground footprint is essentially zero.

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      Subways are for mobility (moving large numbers of people rapidly); trams are for access (getting you close to your destination). They complement each other and a well-designed city would have both.

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        STOP I can only get so erect

        You’re going to make me write a cute green-urbania fiction of my self-insert walking around a beautiful city with parks everywhere and using the sub-rails to go far distances and then get on cute retro san francisco style over land trams to make my way to walk-only brick roads and then walk to some book store, the corners piled high with books, with books stacked outside the store under a cloth awning, owned by a wise old man of unclear nationality who spends his days reading the books he sells, who knows me well enough to offer a glass of tea.

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    devils advocate:

    • branches would fall in the tracks
    • wild animals might populate and then get harmed.

    • not citing pros
    • both can probably be mostly solved fairly easily i think
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      -concidering it is in the middle of a city there are basialy no wild animals -this isnt more dangerous to the remaining few than any 4 lane Road -there are city maintenance workers who take care of the trees -during realy bad storms there are also branches on the streets

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      1 billion different advantages

      The actuall biggest problem would be leaves on the rails in autumn.

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        A small brush system ahead of the actual wheels could take care of some of the tree debris. Even a small to medium sized branch would probably have no effect, the tram is heavy enough to just cleave branches apart. The negative of that is the maintenance teams probably have to clear out stuff that gets stuck under the trams.

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    No thanks. I don’t want to be at the mercy of some driver who can and will deny people service however and for whatever reason they please.

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        It sucks being justified in being afraid, yes. And I am very, very justified in my stance, not just by historical standards but through personal experience and experiences of the people I care about. Public transport is the pits and a last resort people are forced to be dependent on for poverty. It CAN’T be the way forward for our people.

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          You’re entitled to your incorrect opinion. I like mass transit for reasons like removing my need to pay attention for every second of a trip, for much reduced cost per mile, and for meeting/looking at interesting people.

          Most people seem to agree. You can’t move a coffee table on it (though I have, my apologies from a now-wisened teenager), but that’s what stuff like car share services can step in on.

          Who’s denying you service, and why? The driver is way at the front of the train, what are you on about?

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            Yep, my lifetime of assault and harassment on public transit is just an incorrect opinion. Fuck my lived experiences and those of everyone else, the only perspective that matters is your own because all that matters is you getting what you want.

            Ugh. Just ugh.

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              Alright grumpy, calm down. I’ll repeat the question: what happened? That’s as much energy as I’m willing to give the weak crying.

              Literally 1.7 billion rides on the NYC subway system in 2019, it seems to work great for us. I dress in weird shiny rubber clothes sometimes while going to a party or whatever, I get looks of curiosity or derision from other passengers sometimes, and I don’t give a shit. Are you just that sensitive?

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                Wow, holy shit, your best response is childish name calling and tone policing.

                Everyone, this is what abusive people do when they are willing to be immoral to get what they want. When faced with a legitimate grievance they can’t refute, they attack the person, in this case in the most blatantly childish way possible.

                Basically he knows forcing people to use public transit will cause innocent people to suffer more violence but he doesn’t care about that, he only cares about his feelings and he’s willing to force you to be beaten, assaulted, even killed to get his way.

                Think of your daughters and wives who would be groped, beaten, sexually assaulted, and murdered in the name of appeasing this hopeless retard, and then ignore him.

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                  I don’t agree with your conclusion that public transit is responsible for assault and murder.

                  What you are essentially suggesting is breaking up society and isolating everyone so people can’t harm each other. That is an extreme solution to this problem

                  You also forget about all the people suffering from cars: thousands of deaths each year (compared to how many in subways?) from accidents and pollution.