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  • febra@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    Just stop Israel and the problem is solved. No need to complicate yourselves with a damn port.

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        8 months ago

        Yeah, giving them bombs to kill kids is definitely a very complex situation

        • gmtom@lemmy.world
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          8 months ago

          Yep, they totally give Israel bobms for the express purpose of killing kids. Definitely not to defend themselves against a potential war with Iran or Egypt…

          Biden sits in the oval office and twirls his mustache like a cartoon villain as laughs about dead kids. Because the world is just so simple and black and white :)

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            8 months ago

            Funny you say that, cause even fucking Reagan had more of a spine to stop weapon transfers to Israel in the 80s when there actually was a realistic chance of war with Egypt, while Israel was actually at war with a neighbouring country, not with a militant group from one of the regions they occupy that has no means of actually procurring real bombs. But sure, do tell me how Israel needs those bombs to protect itself from… Egypt?

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              8 months ago

              I mean yeah because they used to attack other sovereign nations. And unfortunately 1. Palestine isn’t a recognised nation, 2. Israel has the plausible deniability of this being “self defence”

              Then you also need to take into account that Raegans administration was in a much stronger position so had more political capital to spend on those sorts of decisions.

              And there was also less pressure to secure Western interests in the region back then. Biden will be under much more pressure from US companies to protect their business in the region weber that’s operations in Israel or oil and gas in the area. And not to mention the weapons companies that make billions off of Israel.

              And yeah look at the current regime in Egypt and Iran, they are both religious extremists that are not keen on either western values or Jewish people. And Iran supplies hamas with weapons. Its very much plausible for a war another war to break it if either of those governments decides they want to start a war despite knowing they will lose.

              If you drop the self-righteous indignation and try and be a realist, you will see Biden actually doing quite a lot given the circumstances. And so its better to direct your ire at someone more deserving, like the Israelis actually carrying out the genocide, or the weapons manufacturers that are profiteering off it and lobbying the government to keep up weapons trade and aid.

      • merthyr1831@lemmy.world
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        8 months ago

        Bro replying to every comment “its not that simple!!!” when it really is, that fucking simple.

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        8 months ago

        Which is? To keep giving them bombs to kill children while also morally posturing and talking about how awful it is what Israel is doing?

        • katy ✨@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          8 months ago

          almost as if, contrary to what perpetually online slacktivists say, there is no easy answer for this considering you stop one side and the other side who has been fighting with them for decades, then starts harming the israeli people.

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            8 months ago

            Ah the old “it’s so complicated guys, we just HAVE to do this genocide”. The exact same shit fascist apologists do every time someone challenges the horrors they create without having to do any work explaining why 40,000 people have to die for the sensibilities of colonizers