From the article: “In particular, five fundamental attributes of social media have harmed society. AI also has those attributes. Note that they are not intrinsically evil. They are all double-edged swords, with the potential to do either good or ill. The danger comes from who wields the sword, and in what direction it is swung. This has been true for social media, and it will similarly hold true for AI. In both cases, the solution lies in limits on the technology’s use.”
To steal an old trope: the tech bros have circled the globe eight times while the government is still putting its boots on. If there’s money to be made via automation, there’s no stopping it (unless we get the guillotines out of mothballs).
Someone will try to sell AI guillotines
I literally just saw they’re testing AI robots in Gaza
Read about drone warfare in Ukraine and how AI drone swarm warfare is just a matter of months away if it’s not already being done.
The problem with any regulation is that it’s going to have unforeseen knock-on effects. It might cripple an otherwise benign use. This can be mitigated by trying to draft smart bills initially by coordinating with leaders in the field who aren’t corporate backers. And then being able and willing to amend laws as these effects take shape.
Unfortunately this is not how the US congress functions right now and for the foreseeable future. Therefore regulation will likely be sparse and when it is heavy handed, unlikely to be amended unless the knock-on effects are massively bad.
There’s a better chance of AI becoming sentient and stopping itself from being harmful than there is that people do the right thing.
Humans. Can’t trust 'em for shit.
Found Ultron everyone!
Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Those who do learn from history are doomed to watch as those who did not learn repeat it.
Let’s make different, more disastrous mistakes!
Climb in back and we’ll be off!
See, this is the exact shit I mean when I scaremonger about AI. Especially in this community, I have been called a few names and likened to some stupid anti-tech movements.
But it’s not the tech itself. It’s the world and the companies this tech is being borne into and giving power to. This is not the early 80s, where we generally had some sort of capitalist equilibrium going on—as much as an exploitative system can have equilibrium, that is. It’s a post-Reagan 2024, and this system is so out of balance that this is like, in a war between a modernized society and an uncontacted Amazon people, a nuke was dropped.
Your cars, your phones, your entire online ecosystem, all the smart devices, the cops, the federal govt…they’re all working in a system of surveillance and—honestly, for lack of a better word, though it’s been co-opted and bastardized by conspiracy nut jobs—mind control that we barely understand, let alone have any control over. But that’s exactly what this is, they are astroturfing public opinion, pushing ideas in an almost streamlined fashion, and getting us evermore addicted to these means of coercion.
And this is all before we even discuss the general balance of “consumer/producer.” Assuming we are even willing to make capitalism come close to functioning (which is a fools errand at this point), we need to completely upend the current imbalance in what we accept as a suitable give/take. They are taking more, while giving us less, and it’s only getting much worse. Now they’re taking way, way more than ever and we get, what, new social media sites in return? Nah. We are no longer consumers, we are products. We are the piece in the puzzle with the least agency.
And AI is only exacerbating those problems. And that’s all before we get into discussing the massive environmental concerns! We are barreling toward destruction and we are…sinking more computers and server farms and time and infrastructure to completely backwards energy consumers.
Don’t use their AI, refuse to use social media, jailbreak and privatize your phones, refuse to buy any surveillance nightmare cars, use a TOR browser…do everything we can to wrench just a little of our own data and agency back from them. Because getting all giddy over some shitty chatbot and refusing to heed the warnings of the Reddit and google CEOs literally spelling out how they are harvesting and profiling our data is just beyond stupid and gives them the idea that, as the google ceo said, “well, if you keep using it, it’s your own fault.” Or something to that effect. But at some point, these evil cartoon villains may just be right. We keep following along. At what point do we build parallel systems to evade their reach?
The problem is that fear mongering only serves them. Their plan is to stop individuals from having access to it, not companies and they will do so by convincing the population that AI is theft and therefore bringing up the price so only a handful of companies can afford to train models or by convincing the population that it’s too dangerous for the common man to have free access to it.
But individuals can use copyrighted artwork for their own personal use, businesses can’t. I don’t think there’s any attempt to get people to stop using it. As stated in the article (maybe not this one, but a recent one either way, I don’t remember at this point), AI chat bots are a GREAT way to extract obscene amounts of data from people. It’s one of the main draws to it for business, and one of its main uses for future profitability.
“Fear monger” might have been the wrong term to use, it’s got a negative connotation. But I do believe it’s a dangerous, dangerous step in the current trend of surveillance capitalism. Like I said, it’s akin to the A-bomb in the war over our privacy and data.
Social media is just another scapegoat like Russian bots.
The truth is much worse: most people are, and have always been awful, bloodthirsty ghoulish pieces of shit and they were so before social media, you just know it now.
No friend, no, I’m sorry, but the whole world just wouldn’t work if that were actually the case. Humanity is inherently altruistic. The issue is that people struggle to be that and survive. We just have to ramp down the me:first and push more for society. EU is starting to make those in-roads, so stay positive!
I’d say it’s that we all have these elements within us.
We’re all born as selfish idiots, how can we be otherwise? We’re helpless at birth, thrust from perfect comfort and safety into discomfort, utterly ignorant and wholly dependent, with no knowledge there are others, who are just as dependent when they’re born.
There’s the variability in personality, but by and large we have to learn to see others as the same as ourselves.
So while we may not all actively try to be assholes, it takes conscious effort to be better than our base nature.
And, I tend to think we all get to be assholes now and again. We all have moments we can look back on and say “oh, yea, I was the asshole that time”.
Social media just reflects humanity, though the algorithms are certainly designed to increase engagement via the simplest mechanisms - emotional engagement. And which are the easiest to target? Yep - the most basic, they have the broadest appeal, because we all share those base emotions.
Another way to look at this: if we didn’t share these base emotions, would the algorithms have any effect?
World Hunger is literally a problem of corruption. The vast majority of problems are “we could solve this, but it costs money and we’d rather have another mega yacht”. If humans were truly altruistic, homelessness and hunger wouldn’t be issues at all. Are we savages? Maybe not. But overall altruistic? Bullshit.
There’s a reason we idolize heros instead of treating them as mundane. They are exceptional, not the norm.
Technology and policy matter. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/21/world/europe/facebook-refugee-attacks-germany.html
So many people on Lemmy are pessimistic as shit, makes it hard to read the comments sometimes
most people are, and have always been awful, bloodthirsty ghoulish pieces of shit
Most people are empathetic and decent. This sounds like apologia or projection. Evil people think everyone else is just as evil and that’s how they rationalize it.
It is one side of us humans. You don’t become top of the food chain by petting the lions.
However, the other side is: We can team up and watch each others backs.
Hello, I’m from the future. We didn’t handle it responsibly.
How far in the future? Because if you’re like 100+ years from now I’d just be happy the planet held out that long. Well enough to support a time travel capable society too
There will still be humans in 100 years. The planet is fine, we’re just making it harder for us and many other species to survive.
How many humans there will be, and how they will live is a different question.
But a time travel capable society per the above comment?
I mean, until it happened it’s just a fiction. Maybe time travel wasn’t possible at all until we nuked ourselves back to the stone age fighting over what was left after climate change.
Or… hear me out… we use AI to make social media even more insufferable than it was before.
Already happening, friend
Unlimited scams and Jesus stuff for everyone!
So excited to have an llm make posts on Twitter for me, so that all my bot followers can think i am funny
most of social medias ills come from the algorithms which is basically what ai is soooo…
We have two ethics systems:
The first we apply to healthcare and government, and it’s best sunned up by Micheal Scott “Don’t ever, for any reason, do anything to anyone, for any reason, ever, no matter what. No matter… where. Or who, or who you are with, or, or where you are going, or… or where you’ve been… ever. For any reason, whatsoever.”,
The second is applied to private industry, and it’s best summed up by “innocent, until proven guilty”.
And that’s why we let private industry roll along with whatever they want, until we can definitively prove harm, but society found it unreasonable to ask people to vaccinate because there was a minute chance of rare side effects less bad than the disease it was for.
Citizens United
Lmao right; you know this so called “ai” is going to be used and abused for every ounce of gains possible
Way too late. All of the harmful parts of social media are exploited and promoted by corporate interests, and llms are shaping up the same. Users have already shown they have no interest in policing themselves, so unless something is done to drastically restrain corporations, there’s little that can or will be done to keep the new thing from being even worse than the old thing.
I saw an IBM commercial that depicted an AI personal assistant informing a user that their credit card had been used for a fraudulent charge. It asked the user if a particular charge was legit and they said no. Then the AI informed the user that the transaction had been canceled and a new card had been issued.
I have a couple problems with this. First, what if the AI was hallucinating parts of this interaction? Secondly, at some point the user’s AI will be interfacing with the bank’s AI, then we will effectively be subservient to a bunch of algorithms automatically running the world and we will basically be children with our AI parents taking care of us.
then we will effectively be subservient to a bunch of algorithms automatically running the world and we will basically be children with our AI parents taking care of us.
That’s the plan.
Shareholders think they’ll be excluded because they can call and reach a human.
But it will soon be impossible to be a shareholder over every AI that could possibly fuck you. And we will undoubtedly turn over things to AI that we should have kept control of, to the point of being unable to even help our poor shareholders.
I expect that everyone will need at least a little prompt engineering in their life before this mess is under control.
So there’s that to look forward to.
The good news is AI are just computers wearing fancy pants and can, and will, be unplugged when we learn - the hard way - what uses AI is no good for. I’m sure that’ll be big “who could possibly have seen this coming?!” news, too.
(I’m a shareholder and I don’t think this.)
Not to mention how voice assistants can just mishear you. Told google once to put dental floss on my shopping list and it said “got it, I added applesauce.” Good try I guess. Pretty trivial this time, but they expect me to trust that for tasks with financial stakes?
Ohh we will. And include all new mistakes too. Gotta cover our bases.
Bahahahahahha, NEVER gonna happen.
Humanity learning from its mistakes, I mean.
