Good. Leave Ukrainian soil. Overstretch your military.
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Does he have any left that aren’t drunk or in prison?
He’s got some kidnapped Indian guys.
As a
well, can always put the drunk and prisoners there
This is Russia we’re talking about, they never had those in the first place.
After he’s moved some of Russia’s abundant supply of troops to the border, maybe he can also match increasing NATO military spending. Ignore the US, only match Europe. The EU’s GDP is over 20 trilion * 2% target = 400 billion.
Russia’s currently at 69.5 billion spending, so a 450% increase should get it near EU spending. That works out at roughly 20% of GDP. Maybe increase refinery production and export a bit more oil or export gas to some of the more affluent markets.
Good luck!
I’m sure we’ll all be saying “Mission Accomplished” on a very ‘special’ president’s ‘special’ military operation very soon.
The raw spending figure isn’t what is important, but the PPP figure. Russia’s economy is about 1/5th the size of the EU’s in PPP, and its defense sector is vastly more efficient on a monetary basis than the west - The US alone has given Ukraine close to $60 billion and it is a fraction of the hardware that Russia has produced with fewer dollars.
This isn’t a ‘Russia stronk, Europe bad’ post, it just bears emphasizing that Russia has a large industrial base and has brought much of it into arms production over the past two years. The West hasn’t, and defense procurement remains an almost artisanal process where high tech goods are bought - in low volumes - at inflated prices.
PPP doesn’t really matter in modern warfare. A modern stealth fighter bomber (F-35) is expensive no matter what currency you use.
Russia only has a cost advantage in anything you can mass produce, like bullets or dumb artillery shells. The US and Europe have insane smart artillery shells and RPGs that completely destroy Russian tanks, personnel carriers, and dug in positions. They’re expensive no matter who makes them.
Modern weapons and tactics are force multipliers. Money is not really an issue in warfare, only production capacity. The War Production Board in WW2 forced businesses to produce what the military needed at non-inflated prices. Car manufacturers were forced to make tanks and jeeps.
Yes, you can make the argument that a hyper-modern vehicle is a vastly more effective weapons system, so the disparity in cost is justified.
That isn’t what we are seeing in Ukraine - relatively modern NATO-standard tanks are being knocked out by old artillery, immobilized by old mines, and killed by cheap drones. Industrial warfare in the vein of WWI and WWII is clearly not dead yet.
This isn’t to say Russia would win a direct conventional war against the west, but we also can’t sit here smugly and claim it would be a steamroll like Gulf Storm given the observations from Ukraine.
Iraq has shown that with air superiority, you can completely crush any large opposing force with ease if it’s executed well. The reason why this turned into a conventional war is because neither side has air superiority. If Russia did, this war would’ve been over ages ago. That is also why I think in a Russia vs NATO showdown, Russia doesn’t stand a chance, not even remotely when it comes to capabilities.
relatively modern NATO-standard tanks are being knocked out by old artillery, immobilized by old mines, and killed by cheap drones.
“Force multiplier” doesn’t mean invincible. By “Gulf Storm” I assume you mean “Desert Storm” during the Persian Gulf War. The coalition forces still lost a lot of tanks, APCs, and airplanes even in victory.
The US in particular sent only 31 Abrams tanks to Ukraine, and none of them were “relatively modern”. Those tanks may have actually been in Desert Storm they’re so old!
These few tanks are designed to work in concert with massive artillery and air superiority fighter bombers, which Ukraine doesn’t have. Right now neither side has a substantial advantage in the air, and Ukraine just doesn’t have enough planes to attack with them.
So the actual thing Ukraine needs is more expensive “force multipliers”, like Patriot missile systems and F-16s. Artillery shells, mines, and drones can’t protect you from those.
Aaaaand they give Ukraine only a tiny fraction of those. Because.
I saw a video of a Ukrainian drone ‘factory’, which was a large room with some 3D printers and some assembly benches. I think defense spending cost needs to be re-evaluated as a metric.
That’s because those drones aren’t actual weapons. They become ones when merged with existing stocks of old ammunition you already have stocked.
They are (relatively) cheap conversion kits for obsolete shells they have lying around in the 100 thousands and more.
Russia’s refinery capacity goes down every
droneday.
Spread them long, spread them thin
The nazis did something similar at Voronezh. Half a man for every meter. Guess how that worked out.
Lol. What troops?
Just smile and wave to Igor and Dimitry when you see them from across the border. They are all they can spare and I’m sure they’re happy with their assignment away from the combat of Ukraine
He sounds scared.
tbh I think its perfectly reasonable. If a neighbouring country suddenly is part of an opposing force that has sanctioned and denounced, why wouldnt you put some troops in a defensive position?
if he didnt and nato uses finland as a staging ground for an attack everyone would call him a dumbass who sucks at strategie (I mean… he does suck at strategy, but still)
and no Im not a russia bot, putin can go suck my balls
They’ve always had troops on our border, this is just Russian bullshit as usual. They won’t be pulling troops out of Ukraine to re-man the units on the border, because Putin knows we’re not actually a threat
And isn’t the border between Russia and Finland something like 1300km long? Good luck covering all that even if the majority of the Russian army weren’t needed in Ukraine or, you know, dead.
Yeah it’s 1340km and change, of which a hair under 1300km is land border
And the funny thing is, the russian nuclear submarines are based in murmansk, which land resupply route could be cut by a finish advance anywhere along the border. So, russia really has to protect this border in case of a conflict with nato.
This reminds me of when I’ve run out of butter… I tell myself I haven’t and I take the knife and try under the lid, ok a bit there. Then I try all the bits I think I can see. Then madly just take the knife and scrape every section. By now I have covered the bottom right and far right sides of my slice of toast, but that’s it.
… Then I make a public announcement that I will butter the top left side with a whole lot of butter
Great, if they’re deployed along the Finnish border than they’re not in Ukraine
Gotta dig them back up first Vladi?
Putin turning to necromancy and becoming a Lich wouldn’t even surprise me at this point.
Eye, but from afar the NATOs won’t know they are dead. /s
Good, don’t forget about Estonia and Latvia you fuck.
Why is this news? This is the shit Russia has been saying before and since Finland even applied to join NATO.
They like to talk.
And will they be Russian, or more human trafficking victims?
