I don’t like Biden either, but anyone with half a brain knows there are two choices in the 2020 election. If we had a sane voting system, voting third party might be worth it, but as it stands, no one but you knows your favorite candidate exists and unless you want to become their campaign manager that will still be true in November. Even if you did, and even if you convinced two thirds of the people who would otherwise have voted for Biden to vote for your chosen candidate instead, Trump would still win because half the country voted for him and your guy only got a third. If you vote third party you might as well stay home.

Not voting isn’t going to stop the genocide in Gaza. The US will continue to funnel them arms no matter which candidate wins this November. Trump practically campaigns on how much he hates the Jews and he’s publicly told Israel to “finish up their war”. He’ll also make life a living hell for anyone who isn’t a straight cisgender male back here at home.

A vote for a candidate is not an endorsement of them or their policies, it’s a statement that you like their policies more than the other guy’s, and “sticking it to liberals” and “refusing to support genocide” (that’s not what voting for Biden is doing, by the way – a vote for either candidate is a vote for genocide and a vote for neither is an endorsement of both) is not more important than keeping the furthest right politician America has ever seen out of office.

How incredibly privileged do you have to be to see an entire national election as what will happen in the Middle East and ignore Trump’s campaign promises to wipe transgender Americans off the map, and further, to not realize that the same thing will happen in the Middle East regardless of which candidate wins?

I hate Biden as much as every other leftist here. But I’ll still vote for him because Trump is worse. If there’s a single bone in your body that cares about the lives of your trans friends you will too.

  • BlackRoseAmongThorns@slrpnk.net
    30·
    7 months ago

    Fucking hell, the liberals are using trans people as an excuse to throw the palestinians under the bus.

    Look, if you’re going to disregard the palestinians’ human rights, then there will come a time when you’ll do the same for trans people, and they are amart enough to know that.

    The queer people’s greatest strength is solidarity so spoiler alert, this won’t really fly, how about you use your vote as a bargaining chip instead of sTrATegIcALly voting no questions asked?

    • Holzkohlen@feddit.de
      30·
      7 months ago

      See what happens to the Palestinians when Trump gets elected you lazy piece of shit. I’m done with you self-serving assholes.

          • Kumikommunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            5·
            7 months ago

            Edit: Did you even read the article you linked? That is Trump telling Israel’s leader that he needs to stop attacking Palestinians. Do you think that’s bad?

            I never said or implied that it would be. It won’t be different under Biden either. Which is my point.

            Although there is a case to be made about Biden’s long history of gleefully jumping at every chance he gets to murder Arabs over his entire political career.

            • AVincentInSpace@pawb.socialOPEnglish
              6·
              7 months ago

              Edit: Did you even read the article you linked? That is Trump telling Israel’s leader that he needs to stop attacking Palestinians.

              I simply do not think that is true. Here’s an article from Politico in which he describes himself as “the most pro-Israel president ever” and implies he endorses the continued use of force.

              I never said or implied that it would be. It won’t be different under Biden either. Which is my point.

              And your proposed alternative is what? Voting third party? Even if you convinced two thirds of the people who would otherwise have voted for Biden to vote for the same third party candidate instead, Trump would still win because half the country voted for him and your guy only got a third. It’s not viable. Never will be as long as we use first-past-the-post.

              Although there is a case to be made about Biden’s long history of gleefully jumping at every chance he gets to murder Arabs over his entire political career.

              Tell me more about that.

      • BlackRoseAmongThorns@slrpnk.net
        7·
        7 months ago

        Advocating people put political pressure on a candidate to change policy = lazy.

        Getting off your ass once every few years to vote, and do it unconditionally = the embodiment of activism.

        ps. Calling me lazy for not voting in the americans’ elections is a very smart move.

      • mojo_raisin@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        7 months ago

        Tankies and their ilk don’t understand the concept of “worse”. They are only intelligent enough to understand “Biden means genocide, can’t vote for him”, anything outside that thought is beyond their capacity.

        I mean, what do you expect from people who think that strategies that failed 100 years ago are somehow going to work now in a totally different world?

    • AVincentInSpace@pawb.socialOPEnglish
      9·
      7 months ago

      A bargaining chip backed by what? “Clean up your act or you’ll lose one of your approximately 100 million votes?”

      Oh, but no, we should get all our friends in on it too, so they’ll lose maybe 10,000 of their 100 million votes if they don’t clean up their act.

      No one but you knows your favorite third-party candidate exists, and unless you want to become their campaign manager that will still be true in November. Even if you did, and even if you convinced two thirds of the people who would otherwise have voted for Biden to vote for your chosen candidate instead, Trump would still win because half the country voted for him and your guy only got a third. If you vote third party you might as well stay home.

      Not voting isn’t going to stop the genocide in Gaza. The US will continue to funnel them arms no matter which candidate wins this November. Trump practically campaigns on how much he hates the Jews and he’s publicly told Israel to “finish up their war” so that life for Israelis can go back to normal. He’ll also make life a living hell for anyone who isn’t a straight cisgender male back here at home.

      A vote for a candidate is not an endorsement of them or their policies, it’s a statement that you like their policies more than the other guy’s, and “sticking it to liberals” and “refusing to support genocide” (that’s not what voting for Biden is doing, by the way – a vote for either candidate is a vote for genocide and a vote for neither is an endorsement of both) is not more important than keeping the furthest right politician America has ever seen out of office.