Yes, this will definitely happen
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Step 1: move data from files into a database
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Step 2: delete files
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Step 3: press release that we just deleted the files
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Google, probably
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Can they even untrain an IA with a given set of Data?
“Bard, forget this ever existed”
“Sure, I’ll make a copy so I won’t forget to forget”
Machine Unlearning is a very active field right now but basically
nonot really
You laugh but it would be really dumb for this not to happen. They would be held liable and most of the data they collect doesn’t come from incognito
Sure they will be held liable. Just like everything else they are held liable for.
They aren’t liable for much
That’s @snooggums@kbin.social’s point
Why isn’t there a sarcasm flare on lemmy (heck, on the Internet)
/s
Back in my day, we didn’t need it! Sarcasm was much more understood on LUE, Gen[M]ay, SA, and DDRFreak!
(I haven’t been to these sites in a long time, so please don’t crucify me if they’re shitholes now. Other than DDRFreak. RIP DDRFreak)
That’s the point… so your original statement does not carry much weight.
you are way too optimistic my man, haha
Of course they do, they’ve already scanned all of them and updated their respective user profiles.
Am I the only one who never thought that incognito mode or the equivalent on FF was protecting me from anything other than anyone else who may use the same pc? I don’t share my pc with anyone so I only use those modes when I think a website is acting up because of previously stored cookies, credentials or my various script blockers.
Incognito mode is for hiding your search history from your relatives and friends. Corpos ready have that data anyways.
Exactly. And you can’t be surprised when a company that also runs a search engine and ad network stores that data for other purposes.
I rarely jump in on things like this because of the lack of understanding of how things actually work as well as the inevitable responses like from OP and someone else I just responded to.
To repeat for those who may not get it just yet. Private browsing on FF and incognito mode on chrome are specifically for use when you use a shared pc or someone else’s system to check your email or whatever. It’s always been designed to protect locally not from the greater web.
I don’t remember ever seeing or hearing anything from Google about this mode hiding data from them.
And hey if you were to somehow believe otherwise, well. You’d be stupid! Haw haw
laughs in obscene money
Private mode is for when I want to pull up some weird YouTube video where some guy silently melts copper into bars and not have it clog up my partner’s reccos
I have something in common with that sentence but mine ends at pull
Yeah it is more of a debugging tool then anything.
No you are not,
take this link and share it around to others who trust them…I think you misread me.
I never thought that these modes were protecting me from anything except those who shared the same pc. Apparently I am the only one who understands the way the internet works and that nothing you do or any software you run on your system can stop every website and server you interact with or that passes on your data packets to the next server from logging everything it can about you.
How do people think that sites like reddit cross check and correlate data from users to find those with multiple accounts that are attempting to evade bans? There is so much data that we don’t even know we are creating.
I’m all for privacy and anonymity when and where it makes sense but it seems like people here have no idea what the difference between the two are and just how difficult it is and how much extra friction it brings to attempt to be completely anonymous and private via a system designed to connect people.
I’m seeing a lot of people make arguments like this and I just don’t get it. Is your point that its okay for tech companies to prey on the ignorance of nontechnical users? We can’t expect everyone to know everything about every service they interact with.
You need to step back and actually read what I am saying. You need to also learn a lot more about how the internet works.
Again. Read my entire comment and then give it time to sink in.
I understand how the internet works but you apparently don’t understand how people work. Normal people have absolutely no concept of how the internet works, they don’t understand what data servers need about them to function, or what a packet is. They need to be explicitly told that even though they’re using a privacy mode Google is still collecting data on them, especially since they’re collecting data even if you are not going to google hosted sites.
You’re infantilizing people. Instead of treating them like toddlers, maybe we should be educating people and teaching them some critical thinking skills.
You may know how the net works but you apparently can’t read well because the last sentence of that comment is probably the most important.
You’re infantalizing people by assuming everyone who doesn’t know how the internet works lacks critical thinking skills. Do you ever interact with non nerdy people? Additionally, some people do genuinely lack the capacity to understand how systems like the internet work, are we supposed to just let them get taken advantage of or exclude them from society?
I’m ignoring your last sentence because its entirely irrelevant to the situation, the data that Google was collecting from people using incognito mode is not data that they needed to make their services work.
they are toddlers though. They don’t care how something works even if it is the backbone of their entire infra and society.
Where did rdyoung say any of this?
What you just did was put words in his mouth;make a straw man.
And factually, browsers explain what their respective private/incognito modes do. People assumed they did something else.
Did these corporations take advantage of that? Yes.
In the end, these users are as much to blame for using a tool and assuming how it functioned.
I’m the only one…
OK blocked. Come on for real.
Why doesn’t this surprise me?
Reread the original comment, and try being nicer. You’re wrong.
I know what he is saying. There is ways to speak. If he think he is the only one to know (and in the meantime he doesn’t know what i know… ), then its ok for me.
Why he think he is giving me a lessons.
I’ve laughed at the title of the link, like a lot of u… Just the word agree. And even, on the tech side, I’m OK. I’m just sharing… A link…Not sharing my knowledge here… And there is way to do so. He is the only to know ? OK end of discuss for me
It sounds like English is not your first language, so I understand your mistake.
The original comment asks “Am I the only one?” It does not declare “I am the only one.” The order of the words “Am” and “I” changes the meaning.
Nothing hostile was meant or implied. Simple misunderstanding! 😊
Look the answer then ;-)
And I fucking agree on the tech side…
Well.
Because they’ve already gleaned what they wanted.
We already profited from that data, so who cares.
It’s all fine, they have another set of billions of files as copies so they can safely remove the original collections.
Closed app by data mining company, of course they get all the data they can.
Just the “agree” on title is too much in real ^^"
Please teach your kids that incognito doesn’t mean anonymous or private. My 10 year old has been thinking that that was the case until he mentioned it to me the other day and I educated him about it. Ngl, it was so adorable :)
Incognito is just a word that means things.
Not those things. Well - yes, it does mean that but it doesn’t mean that hahaha. No, we just called it that but that’s not on us, if you don’t know that, then that’s on you for believing in the definition of words. Also this message is private. And secret. When we say “let’s all murder trump” over and over - it is the name of the product, so you can’t blame us for saying it all the time - it doesn’t actually mean that, you see. I mean, obviously. You’d have to be a Grade-A moron to think it was anything but a secret message that was private and didn’t mean what the words usually mean. Pfft.
Ever since I used a browser, both Firefox and Chrome always clearly stated, that Incognito Tabs are not private browsing, and they said so in every Tab in very clear terms. Why is that controversial then?
That is what a lot of people don’t understand, incognito mode only delete the local storage of the browser data (cookies, cache, service workers, etc), the Cookie Autodelete or SiteBleacher extensions do exact the same in normal browsing, but don’t prevent that the web pages log the activity in their server, they see you in the same way as in the normal mode, your IP, browser you use, OS, fingerprints, etc…if you don’t use a VPN. The issue is that in the case of Chrome your activity data is sended to Google, independent of incognito or normal browsing.
Well it’s like this: a thief keeps knocking on people’s doors and says that their locks are not theft proof… and insists that it has always been so as the thief is also the locksmith.
It’s gross they were collecting them in the first place.
dont trust their allegations
Are they going to do it tho ?
Oh suuuuure! Sure. Absolutely. Yes. Ha ha of course! Of course.
I mean, have you ever known the world’s largest data mining company to not permanently delete data they could otherwise profit from?
Happens all the time, probably.
This topic was already covered over a week ago.
