Just putting this here cause I found it a good overview of a pretty confusing situation I had no prior knowledge about

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      Also called moderators elsewhere. Without those, the internet would be unusable for anyone not a cishet white Christian fundamentalist.

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          Depends on your perspective I guess. The way I see it: Moderators are (partially) there to limit the spread of hate so if you are a hate spreader, you would thrive without moderation, but if you are a hate receiver, you’re better off when moderation rules are enforced.

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            Without moderators most spaces would be completely unusable due to spammers, trolls and others whose behavior and motivations have very little to do with their sexuality, politics, their skin tone or their religion.

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              You’re trying to dismiss an assertion by submitting a superset of the assertion. Which is usually done to belittle or ignore the orginal point in the argument, which is that a majoirty of those pushing back against CoC also romanticize the old boys group of experts.

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                The original point was to argue for CoC which is fine and can be done without antagonizing people with the tired old “white cis-het,…” nonsense in this context.

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            Hate spreaders need people to spread hate to, but people that are targeted by hate tend not to hang around in spaces where unrestrained hate is allowed.

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          You’re trying to argue reality is the same for everyone. But as a CisHet Guy It’s kind of obvious I get treated better than women and it just gets worse from Woman to then any of the LBTQIA+ community.

          I am not even white and christian and I can tell the difference. Please don’t try to argue about it being equally bad for everyone if moderation was taken away.

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            No, I am trying to argue that moderators are relevant long before any of that (discrimination based on race, religion, gender,…) even starts to matter.

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          You think being a bigot is a skill issue do you? Like everyone deep down is just a bigot (self-inferred I assume?), and some people just have the social skills to hide that better? Have you tried not being a bigot instead of just hiding it?

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            Like everyone deep down is just a bigot (self-inferred I assume?), and some people just have the social skills to hide that better

            Basically this. Yes. This is how socialization works. This is also how a society works.

            I have no problem with Vaxry since I don’t know him personally. I don’t think we could be friends, based on what he says online. But to me this is absolutely irrelevant when it comes to using the software he maintains.

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        Yeah but moderators are not send over by another project. Regardless of how you stand on the main issue, I don’t understand the function of the freedesktop team.

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          They didn’t enforce it on an unrelated project, they enforced it on Vaxry, an FDO contributor.

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          If you walk into a job interview and they find your tweets of you saying the nword over and over, and you don’t get the job, that’s a you problem. Nobody wants to work with people who’ll bring negative PR.

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            This is true. But iuf they enforce a rule that I have to wear a frog hat with googly eyes at home they can kindly fuck off, though.

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              That’s not what’s happening here. They are barring him from participating in their project, he can still say whatever the fuck he wants on his own project. They just don’t want to work with him.

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                Oh, okay. Yeah. If it’s their project they can do whatever they want.

                I just remembered the issue as they want to enforce their policies on the Hyprland community.

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                  That’s the way Vaxry spun it to try making them look bad while he downplays his own behavior and malpractice. Basically he just lied and spread misinformation, he really needs to get his act together if he ever wants to work with them again.

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      This is a popular opinion outside of Lemmy. You won’t find many lowercase “l” libertarians here though.