Don’t mind him. He’s always there ranting about who knows what whenever software he dislikes is mentioned. Lookup his comment history for more of the same.
Easiest method to summon him is to mention Nextcloud and Proxmox in the same sentence.
The better question is, what’s NOT wrong with Nextcloud?
Nextcloud is also a perpetually half made project that breaks at every corner and requires a lot of resources. The sync works until you add like a TB of small files and it never works fine again, unlike Syncthing that can handle whatever you need. Also unlike FileBrowser the WebUI is slow at listing files and related operations. The webmail is yet another pile of JS errors and nonsense idiotic stuff like being unable to show a bullet list.
I went into Nextcloud expecting to have a terrible experience, especially with slow syncing speeds which seem to be a persistent complaint.
I was pleasantly surprised that syncing for my 3TB dataset which is a mix of documents, design work, photography, and videos, has worked just as quickly as Syncthing and Resilio Sync on local gigabit network.
I run Nextcloud AIO on TrueNAS SCALE in a systemd-nspawn container with ncdata bind mount from NVME and the rest of the data using External Storage plugin locally.
I only use Nextcloud for Memories (photo app), file syncing and file sharing, so my usage of it is relatively light.
Ahaha you funny guy. Can you have a look at this? From what I’ve seen people either say NC works really well and very fast or that it is complete trash. I really wanted to make it work, and I regularly try the thing again to always end up with piles of javascript erros on my browser.
Did you try out Nextcloud AIO instead of setting it up manually?
I agree that NC has a lot of problems. It’s a good example of an application that tries to do everything and unsurprisingly doesn’t do many things truly well. With that said, I was surprised that NC AIO ran well for me despite the horror stories of NC I’d always read. I’ll keep using it for now, but I could easily switch back to using Resilio Sync, File Browser, and Photoprism.
My main problems with Syncthing is that there’s no official iOS client and that there’s no easy selective sync (Resilio can do this) - using ignorelists gets annoying if you’ve got a large folder structure and many files/folders that you selectively need to sync.
Did you try out Nextcloud AIO instead of setting it up manually?
Yes, mostly the same.
I agree that NC has a lot of problems. It’s a good example of an application that tries to do everything and unsurprisingly doesn’t do many things truly well. With that said, I was surprised that NC AIO ran well for me despite the horror stories of NC I’d always read
I believe this is a problem of scale, once you get a lot of data and a couple of users things then to go downhill from there.
To make things better NC isn’t polished at all and there’s a lot of moving parts that break randomly at multiple times or at the same time.
My main problems with Syncthing is that there’s no official iOS client and that there’s no easy selective sync
This is kind of the problem with Syncthing for… everyone. What I do with iOS is to avoid syncs, have a central “server” where all your Syncthing devices sync to/from and access everything on iOS through WebDAV/SFTP or FileBrowser running on that server.
Webmail is comically slow and laggy even if it permanently stores every single email in the database. It also doesn’t prune them after deletion and that’s a huge privacy issue imho. The fact that it’s saving all the emails in clear on the database Is concerning for use outside self hosting. Even if it could be set to do end to end encryption for files, in this way the admin has full access to all emails from all users (well, actually, thanks to the impersonation plugin it has access to everything and it doesn’t even give a “admin has logged in” notification).
Also, even if it’s this slow, it’s incredibly barebone.
I replaced it with snappymail which is way faster even if it doesn’t cache any email in the database
I tried many webmail software and I didn’t see any of them storing emails on the database. Afterlogic, roundcube, squirrel, they’re all reading them from IMAP with no DB. But they’re much faster. What’s the point of storing millions of emails on a DB if the software is 50x slower than something that doesn’t do that?
Did you happen to have a look at my post. I believe what’s there is way more than “comically slow and laggy” it’s just yet another time NC overpromised and underdelivered. I’m used to Roundcube and web both know that thing is very fast and reliable.
What’s the point of storing millions of emails on a DB if the software is 50x slower than something that doesn’t do that?
Not OP but I found nextcloud to be incredibly buggy and resource intensive when I had it spun up. Now, I had it spun up on top of TrueNas Scale which its own bucket of shit, but I digress. Pushed me to just using discreet services for everything and I like it much better.
I used it for a few years, but it broke a few times, and I had to search online and find an occ command to fix it. It also could break if you didn’t upgrade regularly and skipped versions. Or you upgraded too quickly before a bug was hotfixed.
Maybe it is better now, but I looked into alternatives and found syncthing to be awesome (after I switched from iphone to android). I use samba share for cold storage. Syncthing can take a lot of space since it syncs all the files to all units
Dunno about him, but for me I forget to update it and then when I remember it can’t update because its so out of date it cant resolve something or other, and I end up having to just reinstall the latest version and jump through hoops to get the users files to show up, and then one time before as well as the most recent one that made me give up database problems occurred and I don’t know how to database.
The Android app is garbage, often refuses to automatically synchronise, and for the past few releases has been displaying an error saying it can’t connect to the server even though it clearly can.
Why? What’s wrong with Nextcloud?
Don’t mind him. He’s always there ranting about who knows what whenever software he dislikes is mentioned. Lookup his comment history for more of the same.
Easiest method to summon him is to mention Nextcloud and Proxmox in the same sentence.
Yes. Nothing wrong with nextcloud. It’s a skill issue
I do think it’s blind hate from OP
No major problems for many years running an instance, there is room for improvement though.
^ https://lemmy.world/comment/9438045
The better question is, what’s NOT wrong with Nextcloud?
Nextcloud is also a perpetually half made project that breaks at every corner and requires a lot of resources. The sync works until you add like a TB of small files and it never works fine again, unlike Syncthing that can handle whatever you need. Also unlike FileBrowser the WebUI is slow at listing files and related operations. The webmail is yet another pile of JS errors and nonsense idiotic stuff like being unable to show a bullet list.
I went into Nextcloud expecting to have a terrible experience, especially with slow syncing speeds which seem to be a persistent complaint.
I was pleasantly surprised that syncing for my 3TB dataset which is a mix of documents, design work, photography, and videos, has worked just as quickly as Syncthing and Resilio Sync on local gigabit network.
I run Nextcloud AIO on TrueNAS SCALE in a systemd-nspawn container with ncdata bind mount from NVME and the rest of the data using External Storage plugin locally.
I only use Nextcloud for Memories (photo app), file syncing and file sharing, so my usage of it is relatively light.
Ahaha you funny guy. Can you have a look at this? From what I’ve seen people either say NC works really well and very fast or that it is complete trash. I really wanted to make it work, and I regularly try the thing again to always end up with piles of javascript erros on my browser.
Did you try out Nextcloud AIO instead of setting it up manually?
I agree that NC has a lot of problems. It’s a good example of an application that tries to do everything and unsurprisingly doesn’t do many things truly well. With that said, I was surprised that NC AIO ran well for me despite the horror stories of NC I’d always read. I’ll keep using it for now, but I could easily switch back to using Resilio Sync, File Browser, and Photoprism.
My main problems with Syncthing is that there’s no official iOS client and that there’s no easy selective sync (Resilio can do this) - using ignorelists gets annoying if you’ve got a large folder structure and many files/folders that you selectively need to sync.
Yes, mostly the same.
I believe this is a problem of scale, once you get a lot of data and a couple of users things then to go downhill from there.
To make things better NC isn’t polished at all and there’s a lot of moving parts that break randomly at multiple times or at the same time.
This is kind of the problem with Syncthing for… everyone. What I do with iOS is to avoid syncs, have a central “server” where all your Syncthing devices sync to/from and access everything on iOS through WebDAV/SFTP or FileBrowser running on that server.
Webmail is comically slow and laggy even if it permanently stores every single email in the database. It also doesn’t prune them after deletion and that’s a huge privacy issue imho. The fact that it’s saving all the emails in clear on the database Is concerning for use outside self hosting. Even if it could be set to do end to end encryption for files, in this way the admin has full access to all emails from all users (well, actually, thanks to the impersonation plugin it has access to everything and it doesn’t even give a “admin has logged in” notification).
Also, even if it’s this slow, it’s incredibly barebone.
I replaced it with snappymail which is way faster even if it doesn’t cache any email in the database
I tried many webmail software and I didn’t see any of them storing emails on the database. Afterlogic, roundcube, squirrel, they’re all reading them from IMAP with no DB. But they’re much faster. What’s the point of storing millions of emails on a DB if the software is 50x slower than something that doesn’t do that?
Did you happen to have a look at my post. I believe what’s there is way more than “comically slow and laggy” it’s just yet another time NC overpromised and underdelivered. I’m used to Roundcube and web both know that thing is very fast and reliable.
Yes. It’s a joke.
Not OP but I found nextcloud to be incredibly buggy and resource intensive when I had it spun up. Now, I had it spun up on top of TrueNas Scale which its own bucket of shit, but I digress. Pushed me to just using discreet services for everything and I like it much better.
I used it for a few years, but it broke a few times, and I had to search online and find an
occcommand to fix it. It also could break if you didn’t upgrade regularly and skipped versions. Or you upgraded too quickly before a bug was hotfixed.Maybe it is better now, but I looked into alternatives and found syncthing to be awesome (after I switched from iphone to android). I use samba share for cold storage. Syncthing can take a lot of space since it syncs all the files to all units
Dunno about him, but for me I forget to update it and then when I remember it can’t update because its so out of date it cant resolve something or other, and I end up having to just reinstall the latest version and jump through hoops to get the users files to show up, and then one time before as well as the most recent one that made me give up database problems occurred and I don’t know how to database.
The Android app is garbage, often refuses to automatically synchronise, and for the past few releases has been displaying an error saying it can’t connect to the server even though it clearly can.
Nextcloud itself is okay but slow.
Hmm I have none of these issues