• darq@kbin.social
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    The only reason I opened the article, “whatchu mean fear of peace talks?!”

    Like I get it, Ukraine shouldn’t capitulate. But ending the bloodshed is a good thing, surely.

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      To what end though? Freeze the border where it is now and give Russia another few years to build up force for round 3?

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        I suppose that’s up to Ukraine, right? They’re the ones fighting so it makes sense for them to decide what terms they’d be willing to accept.

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          So, you didn’t read the article? The fear is not about peace talks, it’s about support from the US forcing them while Ukraine is making progress.

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      The issue is that we’ve already tried the whole peace thing before. Remember the Budapest Memorandum? The Minsk Protocol & Minsk II? The Partition & Friendship Treaties?

      I feel like the heart of the issue is that Russia doesn’t want peace. If it did, we would not be here in the first place.

      • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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        You mean the Minsk agreements Ukraine refused to implement for 8 years, and the west has now admitted were designed to buy time to arm Ukraine for the proxy war. Not really helping your case there bud.

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          …Ukraine refused to implement for 8 years, and the west has now admitted were designed to buy time to arm Ukraine for the proxy war

          [citation needed]

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              can’t even be bothered to google?

              No, I’m invoking Hitchen’s Razor.

              While I will concede the Minsk Agreement, there’s still the issue of the Partition Treaty, the Treaty of Friendship, and the Budapest Memorandum. All of which were meant to encode Ukraine’s territorial sovereignty.

              • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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                Claiming there is no evidence for something that’s well documented is just flaunting your own ignorance. All of the treaties you mentioned were respected by Russia until US overthrew a democratically elected government in Ukraine in a violent coup. A fact that’s, once again, has been extensively documented in western media. It takes stunning amounts of intellectual dishonesty to ignore this and peddle your narrative.

                • ֆᎮ⊰◜◟⋎◞◝⊱ֆᎮ@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                  Fuck off with this shit dude. We had a revolution to tell the Russian stooges to GTFO. You don’t get to gaslight a people for the choices they made. Your bias is showing моска́ль.

                  Don’t bother responding.

                  • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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                    I’m not responding to you, but to other people reading the thread. You had a far right coup that US ran, and that’s just a basic fact. Now, your coup regime is destroying your country because US wanted to weaken Russia. Now that the regime is running out of people to throw into the meat grinder they might even come for your dumb ass. One day you’re shit posting on lemmy and the next you’re in a trench getting blown up by artillery so that Raytheon stock can go up a few points.