Nice. I’d love to get down to some National Trails.
Huh… interesting revelation about Chopin, I was aware Wagner was pretty anti-Semitic.
As for not listening to Chopin, I think I can be pretty sure that he isn’t making any money from me listening to him, the same as listening I my FF CDs. I thought I had been pretty clear on that for this entire thread that I would not be rewarding them with money or time on services that give them money.
You did make that clear. But you haven’t stated why, other than Amazon Money = Bad.
There aren’t enough good musicians getting paid what they should be on this planet. And most of the ones who are making shit tons of money in music, don’t deserve it.
You, at one point in time, thought the Foo Fighters deserved to be making big money in the music industry, otherwise you wouldn’t have listened to them.
So now that the Foo Fighters have made it big enough that Billionaires want private concerts from them, your response is to abandon them.
You still have no idea whether they needed the money or plan to do something positive with it, you just know they took it from Amazon and you don’t like it.
The Foo Fighters have enough money that there kids kids won’t have to work again.
The why is because I don’t support Amazon and in turn people that do support Amazon.
I don’t agree that too many artists are making money that don’t deserve it. If people are buying there music, whether I think their music is vapid or not doesn’t matter. If you are a pop star and have millions of fans then they’ve earned it imo.
As a software developer I could earn double my current wage working for a gambling company, but I don’t support that and so I think any artist I support should have the same kind of morals.
You keep saying that about gambling, like it equates to the Foo Fighters taking money from Amazon, but it doesn’t.
The foo fighters didn’t accept a sponsorship from Amazon, you’re not going to see smile logos on their instruments or expect their road crew to wear those blue uniforms.
They took a high paying gig.
Furthermore, until you can produce a balance sheet, your statement about the Foo Fighters wealth is conjecture.
You do not know where that band stands financially after losing a founding member’s death & on the heels of a pandemic.
You don’t know how much money the band lost having to cancel their tour after Taylor passed. You have no idea whether their insurance premiums went up.
There are whole slew of logistical factors that could’ve made it an easier decision on the band to take the gig, but you won’t consider any other possibility, will you? You’ve jumped right to the conclusion that your heroes turned greedy & took some money you don’t like, & you’re certain enough of that stance that after one article, you’re willing to abandon them.
The majority of all musicians operate at deficit & are not rolling around in the black. Where’s your proof the Foo Fighters are?
I don’t know either, but I at least have the presence of mind not to publicly shit on them until more information comes out.
Furthermore Furthermore, name a band who you follow that is not touched by Amazon? A band that’s not on Amazon Music, that has no physical media or merch for sale via Amazon. A band that doesn’t perform at any Amazon sponsored venues or Amazon sponsored concert series.
And if you’re not willing to do that, just tell me who should have received that money, if not the Foo Fighters?
You want to take a stand, fine, but don’t pretend your little personal boycott is anything other than a self serving pat on the back.
Would you support the Foo Fighters playing a concert at anti LGBTQ+ rallies?
Public performance, not a private one-off. False equivalency. The Foo Fighters did not publicly support Amazon or its Execs. They performed a private show for a private client, and you’ve happened to find out about it.
Where you’re being irresponsible is not giving them the benefit of the doubt, or even a moment’s patience, when it comes to why they took a private gig with Amazon.
Would you support the Foo Fighters playing a concert Neo-Nazis?
Absolutely not. But then again, I didn’t support them in the first place, you did.
And again with the neo-nazi shit? Amazon, as awful as it fucking is, is still a decent part of the Music industry’s delivery system…
Hmmm I wonder if the Foo Fighters could phase out a relationship with Amazon as a distributor, now that they have millions of Amazon’s dollars?
Would you support the Foo Fighters playing a concert for the IDF?
If the band was willing to turn around do something good with that money, like help Palestinian refugees, yes, probably? I mean what a better fuck you to the IDF than helping Palestine with Israeli money?
Fact again… you don’t know what the band plans on doing with the Amazon money. What if they announce on Monday they plan to use the Amazon money to support unionization in Amazon facilities?
Likelihood they will is low, I know. But your response to all this isn’t to even hope something positive comes of it, it’s just to bitch how awful this is… while not yet knowing what this actually is.
So again, name a band untouched by Amazon. Or hell, name a band you love that is new, playing small venues & hoping to hop on a summer tour.
Now, kill their drummer & force them to end the remainder of their Spring tour early. After dates had been booked & sold.
Come Fall, when that band has to pay their rent… would you turn on them for taking Amazon money?
Your standard is that the Foo Fighters are wealthy enough to not need Bezos Bucks. But again, you don’t know what the band’s actual operating budget is.
And if they do happen to be operating at a deficit, which they likely are given their recent circumstances…
The band members themselves should give up their personal wealth, rather than take a paycheck from Amazon.
Would you pay your employer to keep its doors open, rather take Amazon money?
Didn’t say it was morally permissible. Just said it’s more nuanced than the current response of social shaming & individual boycotts.
Again, I’ll point that I’m not the one drawing lines in the sand here.
It is perfectly reasonable for you to be disgusted by this information. It’s also perfectly reasonable if you to acknowledge that this is not all of the information & that maybe going scorched earth is a bit hasty at this point.
I’m not saying the Foo Fighters aren’t dicks. If they line their pockets with this money & don’t do anything of value with it, then yeah, fuck em.
But I will remind you that this is the same band that waggled their dongs around in front of the Westboro Baptist Church.
I don’t even like this band & I’m willing to give ‘em a few minutes because of that moment alone.
Why do you care if an individual boycotts something they don’t want to support? What impact does that have on you?
You also made the distinction of private vs public performance so now I’m more confused. You said because it’s private it doesn’t matter but it also doesn’t make it morally permissible?
Nice. I’d love to get down to some National Trails.
Huh… interesting revelation about Chopin, I was aware Wagner was pretty anti-Semitic.
As for not listening to Chopin, I think I can be pretty sure that he isn’t making any money from me listening to him, the same as listening I my FF CDs. I thought I had been pretty clear on that for this entire thread that I would not be rewarding them with money or time on services that give them money.
You did make that clear. But you haven’t stated why, other than Amazon Money = Bad.
There aren’t enough good musicians getting paid what they should be on this planet. And most of the ones who are making shit tons of money in music, don’t deserve it.
You, at one point in time, thought the Foo Fighters deserved to be making big money in the music industry, otherwise you wouldn’t have listened to them.
So now that the Foo Fighters have made it big enough that Billionaires want private concerts from them, your response is to abandon them.
You still have no idea whether they needed the money or plan to do something positive with it, you just know they took it from Amazon and you don’t like it.
That’s some fair weather fandom right there.
The Foo Fighters have enough money that there kids kids won’t have to work again.
The why is because I don’t support Amazon and in turn people that do support Amazon.
I don’t agree that too many artists are making money that don’t deserve it. If people are buying there music, whether I think their music is vapid or not doesn’t matter. If you are a pop star and have millions of fans then they’ve earned it imo.
As a software developer I could earn double my current wage working for a gambling company, but I don’t support that and so I think any artist I support should have the same kind of morals.
You keep saying that about gambling, like it equates to the Foo Fighters taking money from Amazon, but it doesn’t.
The foo fighters didn’t accept a sponsorship from Amazon, you’re not going to see smile logos on their instruments or expect their road crew to wear those blue uniforms.
They took a high paying gig.
Furthermore, until you can produce a balance sheet, your statement about the Foo Fighters wealth is conjecture.
You do not know where that band stands financially after losing a founding member’s death & on the heels of a pandemic.
You don’t know how much money the band lost having to cancel their tour after Taylor passed. You have no idea whether their insurance premiums went up.
There are whole slew of logistical factors that could’ve made it an easier decision on the band to take the gig, but you won’t consider any other possibility, will you? You’ve jumped right to the conclusion that your heroes turned greedy & took some money you don’t like, & you’re certain enough of that stance that after one article, you’re willing to abandon them.
The majority of all musicians operate at deficit & are not rolling around in the black. Where’s your proof the Foo Fighters are?
I don’t know either, but I at least have the presence of mind not to publicly shit on them until more information comes out.
Furthermore Furthermore, name a band who you follow that is not touched by Amazon? A band that’s not on Amazon Music, that has no physical media or merch for sale via Amazon. A band that doesn’t perform at any Amazon sponsored venues or Amazon sponsored concert series.
And if you’re not willing to do that, just tell me who should have received that money, if not the Foo Fighters?
You want to take a stand, fine, but don’t pretend your little personal boycott is anything other than a self serving pat on the back.
Where’s the line for you then?
Would you support the Foo Fighters playing a concert at anti LGBTQ+ rallies?
Would you support the Foo Fighters playing a concert Neo-Nazis?
Would you support the Foo Fighters playing a concert for the IDF?
Where you’re being irresponsible is not giving them the benefit of the doubt, or even a moment’s patience, when it comes to why they took a private gig with Amazon.
And again with the neo-nazi shit? Amazon, as awful as it fucking is, is still a decent part of the Music industry’s delivery system…
Hmmm I wonder if the Foo Fighters could phase out a relationship with Amazon as a distributor, now that they have millions of Amazon’s dollars?
If the band was willing to turn around do something good with that money, like help Palestinian refugees, yes, probably? I mean what a better fuck you to the IDF than helping Palestine with Israeli money?
Fact again… you don’t know what the band plans on doing with the Amazon money. What if they announce on Monday they plan to use the Amazon money to support unionization in Amazon facilities?
Likelihood they will is low, I know. But your response to all this isn’t to even hope something positive comes of it, it’s just to bitch how awful this is… while not yet knowing what this actually is.
So again, name a band untouched by Amazon. Or hell, name a band you love that is new, playing small venues & hoping to hop on a summer tour.
Now, kill their drummer & force them to end the remainder of their Spring tour early. After dates had been booked & sold.
Come Fall, when that band has to pay their rent… would you turn on them for taking Amazon money?
Your standard is that the Foo Fighters are wealthy enough to not need Bezos Bucks. But again, you don’t know what the band’s actual operating budget is.
And if they do happen to be operating at a deficit, which they likely are given their recent circumstances…
The band members themselves should give up their personal wealth, rather than take a paycheck from Amazon.
Would you pay your employer to keep its doors open, rather take Amazon money?
So somehow if it’s a private performance it’s suddenly morally permissible? I don’t follow.
Didn’t say it was morally permissible. Just said it’s more nuanced than the current response of social shaming & individual boycotts.
Again, I’ll point that I’m not the one drawing lines in the sand here.
It is perfectly reasonable for you to be disgusted by this information. It’s also perfectly reasonable if you to acknowledge that this is not all of the information & that maybe going scorched earth is a bit hasty at this point.
I’m not saying the Foo Fighters aren’t dicks. If they line their pockets with this money & don’t do anything of value with it, then yeah, fuck em.
But I will remind you that this is the same band that waggled their dongs around in front of the Westboro Baptist Church.
I don’t even like this band & I’m willing to give ‘em a few minutes because of that moment alone.
Why do you care if an individual boycotts something they don’t want to support? What impact does that have on you?
You also made the distinction of private vs public performance so now I’m more confused. You said because it’s private it doesn’t matter but it also doesn’t make it morally permissible?