The gallery still has to be closed, has to dedicate cleaners, invest into security measures etc. Vandalism can be as simple as spitting on the street. But that’s not my point, in general.

My point is why mess with a place what has nothing to do with climate change, and not mess with places that absolutely do have something to do with it?

Why do you assume it’s less shock value? I would argue the opposite

Well I agree with the problem, but I don’t believe attacking art galleries is a solut. Why not spray paint a real estate firm?

You created your own argument here though, right? I can be an advocate for any of one million serious problems that our societies have. Should everyone go destroy art galleries? Housing crisis = art destruction? Unliveable minimal wage = art destruction? Car centric societies = art destruction? Local store increased prices = art destruction? You have to agree that at a certain point this becomes indistinguishable from vandalism.

At what level then is this threshold? Or do you propose a hierarchy of ideas, which are suitable to protest in an art gallery, versus those that aren’t?

Well luckily they didn’t win this time, narrowly but SPD won.

Don’t even try. These people are deluded. There’s no way for Israel to do anything. Israel could probably be invaded, its inhabitants massacred and they would still chant bullshit about that somehow being okay. How has so much of the left turned to unconditionally support the nazi-inspired muslim brotherhood is beyond me.

Epic when you ask any Israel critic to say something legit about it they will just insult you and tell you to end yourself :D great discussion, you sure showed me on the internet by using all those swearwords

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That’s a horrible statement to make about a nation that seen thousands of years of genocides, pogroms, discrimination and displacement. You’re just saying let’s continue with that.

You have to understand that Israel is there and will be there, and you need to work from there to find a solution which also accommodates Palestine ( as an independent country ). There is no future for Palestine, however, where Iran-funded terrorist organisations are at its helm.

And, say, Turkey isn’t?

I’ll just open with saying that I agree with your main point. Of course Israel is an ally of US, and US uses Israel to further their own gains in the region. The same can be said about literally any country in the world, though. It’s just the military & economic power of the US, and going against is a dangerous game to play. I am not defending or saying that US is good, I am just stating the obvious. Even China is not always able to stand against the US.

Now to continue to my main point:

I’m not going to pretend to know enough about those conflicts to answer your question, but I’m not exactly sure how it’s relevant.

The point I was trying to make is that Israel-Palestine conflict is hyperfocused on, in a region that is extremely unstable and seen dozens of civil & international wars, coups & human rights abuses over the last few decades. Fighting ISIS killed thousands of civilians and displaced, at least, several million people. And while ISIS comitted many crimes against humanity, Russian & NATO bombs have also killed thousands of civilians. But people don’t even know this. And don’t seem to care.

Should I also talk about Kurds, who were also fighting that war (against ISIS) and despite that Turks are literally borderline genociding them whenever they get the chance, these people do not resort to terrorism?

It makes you wonder, why in this sea of instability, wars, coups and human rights abuses everyone hyperfocuses on one particular state, which is primarily inhabited by people who have been historically persecuted, killed and displaced consistently for thousands of years?

Are you disagreeing that Black September happened or what?

Thanks for this elaborate attempt at a discussion. Telling someone to fuck themselves instead of engaging with their point is kind of satisfying to see, especially from someone claiming to have the moral upper hand.

And when Iran’s Khamenei says that “Israel should be wiped out” – that is not a “want to exterminate Jews”?

So, if I extend your logic, if ISIS is America’s fault ( which in many ways it is) we should have left Iraq and Syria to succumb to it?

Yea instead of even attempting to engage with any of the points I made write a witty comment. That will show that you know what you’re talking about! 👍

I literally didn’t say what you said, as a matter of fact this entire thread says that its everyone’s BUT Hamas fault. I was making a point that they could have and should have done significantly more to ensure that this tragedy doesn’t happen.

What Israel is doing isn’t good but pretending that this is a one sided issue is a ridiculous misunderstanding of the entire problem, which is by the way the theme of everyone who made up their minds in the last year regarding “which side they support”

Or you know, Hamas could have built bomb shelters for the people they’re “protecting”. Instead they built tunnels for themselves and keeping hostages, dragged Gaza into a needless war with Israel, all the while its own leaders live in the comfort of Iran’s mad regime that also funds them.

Maybe the Muslim brotherhood would help out these children by accepting them as refugees, but I guess nobody wants another Black September where PLO attempted a coup on the Jordanian king that accepted Palestinian refugees, huh?

Women are you in the car park and the car is on the floor and the door is open

Travellers?.. Are you American?