Isn’t linked?
That’s just wrong. Correlation is a link. The long term high dose use of any CNS depressant correlates with actual depression (the psychological issue [I added the brackets because you seemed to miss when I specified the difference earlier.])
Oh wow, an anecdotal story, well that just proves what you’re saying is 100% correct.
Science couldn’t possibly disagree
“Pure” psychedelics like LSD and psilocybin rarely cause any sort of abuse, really, but I’ve been on a drug abuse closed ward and the manic people were generally in there because of CNS stimulants of all sorts. Psychedelics are just less likely to yield any long-lasting harmful effects compared to say smoking crack or snorting meth.
So yeah, while a CNS depressant isn’t the a thing that directly causes psychological depression as such, you can probably see how they’re linked from the following analogy; imagine that I tie your legs together. That doesn’t remove your ability to walk, per se, as long as you remove the restraints. But if no-one removes them for 50 years, do you think you’d walk as well as before?
In much the same way, yes, CNS depressants are linked to depression, and alcohol and benzos are the clearest examples.
Abuse of any psychoactive drug on the regular leads to depression.
That’s a biased generalisation.
While abusers of psychedelics are rare, they’re generally manic and psychotic moreso than depressed.
Yes, depression can be caused by any addiction and abusing stims can cause a lack of neurotransmitter due to exhausting the resources for the body to do so.
It’s a bit different than using something that’s a direct depressant though.
Alcohol is a depressant my man.
Neurologically speaking, so in a different context, yeah, but neurological depression also seems to lead to actual depression, the mood disorder, which also show up as neurological depression.
We really need better imaging tools to measure neurotransmitter activity, would make for several advancements I’d say
The main advancement of capitalism was the rich handing their knights to the state
Seriously, why do people think capitalism = market economy?
How hard is it to understand that capitalism is only a single form of market economies, and literally the worst one?
Capitalism didn’t bring down the concept of divine right, ffs.
Only to be CEO of a massive capitalist company.
I’ve heard a few tales of some CEO’s (of very small companies) here in the Nordics actually being generous to their employees. Like it’s most definitely a rarity, but I believe it is possible.
Like a CEO who values profits but values employees and paying their fair share more and isn’t blinded by greed and addicted to money. A socialist, literally. A market socialist, but a socialist nonetheless.
Everyone could have their basic needs met, and we could still have rich people. Just not filthy rich, not “rich-to-the-point-no-one-else-has-anything” rich.
They don’t read the Bible. They quote parts of it to suit their needs, the hypocrite fucks.
Usury is banned in the Bible, but it’s essentially what the US runs on.
Hell, based on the Bible no Karen should ever quote the Bible in an attempt to teach someone.
1 Timothy 12 “I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet."
Mixing fabric? That’s a stoning. (And not the good kind.)
“Extensive knowledge of scripture” don’t make me laugh
When poor people put others in danger and/or exploit things for financial benefit, they go to prison.
Stop giving fines for big companies and actually start putting people in fucking prison.
Bring back the gestapo already.
You forgot the “/s”. Please, it’s important in these times.
Yeah, without paying it, so you save like 10 dollars by not paying for your shit, and then only have to pay 4.80 back in fines.
Idk what labour laws they broke, but companies are always getting away with shit like this, or even if they’re penalised, they’re still left profiting from the crime.
Hell I live in the Nordics with arguably one of the best labour protections in the world and like over half the jobs I’ve done have had the companies try to fuck me over with the compensation. From private people to large companies. Overtime, mandated breaks, whatever it may be.
Fuck capitalism. (Love market economies though.)
So a magical but injured life is possible, but a magical but non-injured one isn’t?
Cool. Cruel, but cool.
I don’t think you understand how posting hypotheticals on forums works; they get elaborated and “tested” by asking questions or positing premises. Thought experiments, as you seem to be aware of the term at least.
OP used the word exactly.
That means you have exact knowledge of it.
Of course having exact foreknowledge of such a thing would affect your life. Would that effect then affect the thing being the exact time and date? If not, then it’s utter gibberish, because by telling you about it, they’ve already changed history and thus it won’t apply anymore.
If however it won’t affect it, then you’ve gained immortality. You could play Russian roulette as much as you want and never have to fear dying. You can perhaps argue that maybe you survive a shot, but how would that be possible from a large calibre revolver aimed directly at the brainstem?
Paralysed from the neck down.
Then how am I gonna run the marathon?
So you’re saying you have no free will whatsoever, but despite whatever happens, the prophecy will be true?
That I could never drive an older car pretty much, because it’s easy to kill yourself with one. Much less a motorbike without a helmet.
I can never hold anything sharp which could cut the jugular. Couldn’t manage to go swimming, because diving deep and inhaling would somehow have to fail?
Either the prediction is bullshit, oooor it gives you magical plot armor (unless it’s extremely vague, but that goes against OP’s description),
C4 is the easiest for this example. I can definitely manage explosives. You can rather easily make things which blow up.
Let’s make this easier then, I go to the woods and set up a huge fucking boulder on an elaborate pulley system (don’t worry about me finding them, I live in Finland were boulders and rocky surfaces are a plenty. My cousins actually operate a gravel business, so they have lots of proper gear for breaking rocks into smaller rocks, and vehicles to do those things with. So let’s say there’s a pit. I lay a ton of harsh gravel on the bottom of it, a proper few meter layer. Then I take a loader full of massive boulders. And another. And a third one. Place them around the pit. Place myself in the pit, and remotely activate the loaders to drop all those boulders on me. Oh and I didn’t mention, but I put a bed in the pit with me. It’s a bed of extremely sharp knives, covered by a thin cardboard so I don’t get stabbed if I easy myself onto it. On top of that, there’ another bed, upside down, also loaded with insanely sharp swords. All of the boulders will fall into the pit, crushing the bed system, which stabs and slices me into pieces while the boulders to the rest of the work. (The bed frames are soft enough so that they can hold knives, but will be utterly deformed by the boulders so they won’t stay in the way.
Then I’ve also paid for a crazy cousin to empty both barrels of a shotgun to my face with a full metal slug right as the stones start dropping.
But… I’ll survive?
And what happens if you buy a literal ton of C4, cover yourself in the pile and detonate?
I have to survive somehow, right?
It is dehydration, just a different type.
Losing mainly fluid is known as hypertonic dehydration – or hypernatremia. Losing mainly sodium is known as hypotonic dehydration – or hyponatremia
In that scenario you can’t die of dehydration but you’re going to die of dehydration forcibly. So what’s going to happen?
Youre going to die of dehydration, because you we’re simply unaware that drinking too much flushes the sodium out of your body which is what makes you able to retain enough water to function.
Ironically people in hot environments and drinking a ton of water can end up severely dehydrated (mainly if they don’t eat anything, as food has a sodium and other electrolytes).
Now if you drank mineral water (or sports drinks but they’re rather sugary nowadays) or just added a tiny bit of salt to the water you drink, then it would break the prophecy.
Similarly ironic is that a lot of people who aren’t used to cold environments and get lost in the woods or something usually end up suffering heat stroke, as they’ve only a massively thick puffy jacket and walking still generates heat, which the jacket traps and your body can’t cool down and overheats. (Layers and breathing materials underneath the top layers is good, as then you can open or remove a layer as needed to regulate your body temp.)
For the sake of the topic of the thread, I’d like to know what happens if I’m told I die in 50 years from a heart attack while running a marathon, and after hearing that I jump out of a window, try to blow my brains out or shove a block of C4 up my bowels and blow myself up? I should survive, yes? And in condition to (attempt to) run a marathon?
Because if it’s not locked like that and can be changed then it’s more of a guess than accurate foreknowledge.
Just saw that yesterday and so I did too. (think of it that is)
This is going to be less effective and less popular than the prohibition of cannabis.
Yes, abusing drugs of other classes can cause depression too.
Who ever argued it didn’t?
It also relieves those symptoms despite being abused.
I literally emphasised how anecdotal experiences aren’t evidence enough, which is WHY I LINKED ACTUAL PEER REVIEWED DATA.
And you’re wrong. First off, research the difference between the terms “addiction” and “dependence”, and then read the science I just linked in my previous reply.
You’re willfully ignorant, pretending you understand a subject you’re barely conversant in. (Why do people feel the need to do this online?)
I used the analogy, because it’s literally how the depression causing part of downers caused psychological depression; by long-term CNS depression.
That’s why alcoholism is so strongly linked to depression. Just like benzo abuse and opioid abuse, but unlike meth, speed and other stims, which tend to cause mania.
(I feel like I’m repeating myself here. Probably because I am, and you just keep ignoring the actual science, because it proves you wrong and you’re not man enough to admit to having not understood something perfectly.)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8238014/#:~:text=Studies have reported that prolonged,medications for non-pain symptoms.
https://americanaddictioncenters.org/alcohol/risks-effects-dangers/depression#:~:text=Alcohol can not only lead,reducing or stopping alcohol use.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9834328/
https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/abs/10.1176/ajp.138.11.1508?download=true&journalCode=ajp
https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/ajp.2006.163.7.1149