Because he IS too old. Biden did the right thing. Selflessly put the country before himself and listened to his party. I don’t think Trump would ever have enough morals or integrity to do that in a million years unfortunately. So we’ll have to beat the old loon and his band of circus freaks at the polls, again.
Biden was never supposed to run for a second term, and then dragged his feet until the very last minute. The selfless thing would’ve been to step aside for someone younger before the race began
He never had plans to only run one term.
I think most people had no idea he was significantly declining, hence the astonishment at the debate. And some people around him seem to have been encouraging the denial (or worse). I’m unclear if he was doing better many months ago before primaries.
I can’t imagine how insulated and reliant on advisors and other employees the president becomes. Quickly surrounded by people who have no interest in being the bearer of bad news. Probably akin to billionaires, and we see what they mutate into (some kind of Musk-like creature).
I’m so relieved that Biden was able to come to this painful decision, even if it was late. On the bright side, at least there’s less time for the GOP to smear the new nominee. And no more televised convention for them to host the lies for free.
There was a significant effort to hide Biden’s disability. The upper echelons in the Dem party have a lot to answer for.
You think the Repubs are ever gonna even put in any effort to hide Trumps disability?
Cos frankly, it’s starting to feel like it doesn’t matter when it’s their king. what are your thoughts? Does trump suffer from entropy like the rest of us?
It’s one of those things, strategy. If I point out an obvious flaw in the Dem’s candidate, it doesn’t follow that the opposition is superior. Trump can rot in hell for all I care. I don’t give a tin shit about his plan or strategy. I just want the best person the Dems can find to take him down. Pretty simple really.
But you realise that having discussions like that on open public forums just legitimises the particularly twisted viewpoints of maga people then… Surely.
There are only gonna be 2 people (realistically) in the race if you truly care about what you claim… Then fuck no do the dem party not have shit all to answer for… not when you compare them to maga.
And like you said. Strategy. That’s all thats important for Americans right now.
For goodness sake. It’s not just the MAGA lunatics. The whole world saw the debate. People like you are asking us to disbelieve our own eyes. Being a realist doesn’t make you an enemy.
Anyway, chill, the problem has been resolved and the orange ape is going down. Unity is the watchword. The only old fluck in the race in Trump.
Don’t know what you are talking about. I think that the issue is now resolved. They just left things on hold for too long.
Yeah, he fucked over everyone by participating in the primaries.
agreed, never should have tried for the second bite.
however… dems now have an opportunity to own the news cycle from here until the election. if they do even a halfway decent job, we start trending from “narrow loss” -> “political landslide”.
I don’t think all the messaging in the world can fix the reality that Biden hasn’t improved material conditions of the people who voted for him in 2020, or even gone to the mat fighting for them.
The only things he’s really gone around congress or the SCOTUS for is to deny more asylum seekers and give more weapons to Israel and Ukraine.
the current reality is not the future reality - thats their sell, basically obama “hope-ishness”. personally, I think it can work to keep trump out of office. this is a generational moment and the dems have it on their side.
so, with luck, we get to reject trump and, depending on the turnout, watch where progressives settle around.the seat of power.
between the dems and republicans, they have whittled down progressive representation, but its still there.
Whoever the candidate is, they have to avoid talking about Israel and use vague language on the issue. If they come out swinging for Israel I think it would not be a good look.
No messaging or surrogate can have a good answer to “why haven’t you already done it?”
If instead of vaguely suggesting there might be a ceasefire sometime in the future if the dems remain in power, they stopped all arms shipments to Israel and sanctioned them until all Palestinians are granted equal political rights and right-to-return, you wouldn’t be asking yourself “How do I dress up support for an ongoing genocide”, you’d be telling people “We ended apartheid”
thats their sell, basically obama “hope-ishness”
That works when you’ve had 8 years of Bush and are campaigning on free healthcare, ending the wars, federal legalization of cannabis. It works when you’ve had 4 years of Trump and everyone thinks the democrats will defund the police, provide free healthcare and college, abolish ICE, codify roe, pack the court, etc. Then when you fail to do any of that, you get the shit kicked out of you 2 years later.
The dems cannot campaign on hope when they’ve demonstrated that they will not give the people what they want.
This isn’t a messaging problem, it’s a “triangulating yourself to be 2 inches left of republicans and then acting surprised when your base doesn’t show up” for 30+ years problem.
How much of that was blocked in some way by the reps? Every time the peanut gallery chimes in with “what did Dems ever get accomplished?” they never provide the required addendum that reps are obstructionists.
He absolutely has. We’re getting public transit built out. Caps on overdraft fees. Capped the price of insulin. Invalidated most non-compete clauses. Oh, and he didn’t encourage his supporters to attack the Capitol Building and hang Mike Pence.
Oh, and he didn’t get a bunch of Americans killed by Covid because he cared more about the stock market than people.
I’d also like to see Ukraine not fall to Russia.
That’s just what I can name of the top of my head. He was a better president than Obama.
We’re getting public transit built out
Nothing around me except wider highways, nor anyone I know. Unless the brightline is part of that, which is nice, but doesn’t compete with airfare and driving.
Caps on overdraft fees
lmao just get rid of them, people who have no money don’t need less penalties, they need no penalties. There is not a “medium overdraft fees” constituency who will vote against the dems if they get rid of overdraft fees.
Capped the price of insulin
See previous response. If you have the power to cap it, you have the power to make it free.
he didn’t encourage his supporters to attack the Capitol Building and hang Mike Pence.
Stop trying to make trump’s army of divorced Jet Ski dealers sound cool. Most Americans hate congress and Mike Pence.
Oh, and he didn’t get a bunch of Americans killed by Covid because he cared more about the stock market than people.
He literally ended the covid protections, told people not to wear masks, and a bunch of Americans did receive long-term injury or death from covid before they stopped counting.
I’d also like to see Ukraine not fall to Russia.
Because of our actions, Ukraine will never be safe within our lifetimes. Every bomb we send is a bad day for someone, statistically mostly civilians. Any stance except peace as soon as possible demonstrates that you care less about the lives of the actual people living in Ukraine than you do supporting imperialism.
We could have had peace with similar terms to what we can get now two years ago, and millions would be alive and in their homes right now. But instead we decided to fight Russia to the last drop of Ukrainian blood.
He was a better president than Obama.
The patron saint of drones, who halved black wealth to bail out the banks? The deporter-in-chief who paved the way for Trump? That’s not the flex you think it is.
Still far more selfless than Trump though. I’m sure we can absolutely agree there.
I guess? When trump is the bar, it’s pretty easy to come out on top
It ain’t about a bar though is it.
It’s a presidential race.
Realistically, it’s between 2 people.
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Trump doesn’t care about the responsibility of being president. He likes the power and prestige of it.
But I don’t want real power, because with real power comes real responsibility, and I don’t want any of that shit.
I just want the money.
And the illusion of power.
And puss.
He’s always been too old to run. It’s completely ridiculous that he would go after his opponent for something that he is as well without a hint of irony.
He could shame others for having a pot on their head while he has multiple pots on his head and his voters wouldn’t be able to see the farce.
It was always just about image. Trump has a bunch of other bad things to talk about and he doesn’t show age as a problem as clearly as Biden does. Not to say there haven’t been moments where Trump has had moments like Biden but the focus has always been on the other bad aspects of Trump. The reason they focus on it with Biden is because he doesn’t really have much else interesting going on for the media to focus on instead.
One big concern is he has golfers spine. That’s why it looks like he’s wearing a diaper full of shit when standing. It’s a serious concern as he may even need spinal surgery as bad as it looks. Has he even been checked by a spinal professional?
“The first party to retire its 80-year old candidate is going to be the one who wins this election.”
— Nikki Haley, in January.
BTW, I think it would be good for Dems to always call Trump 80. It will be a good irritation for Republicans
I’ve been getting down voted for saying it for a year…
But yeah, trump doesn’t stand a fucking chance now. Also, this is probably the only way to get people excited about Kamala.
2028 better be a real primary or we just kicked the can down the road.
Harris still has a lot of animosity towards her from her time as a prosecutor, but I’m thinking she’s at least a better candidate than biden. The expected republican attacks of “she’s black” and “she’s a woman” probably won’t sway anyone as much as “Joe Biden personally shoots Palestinian kids.”
She’ll be fine.
Moderates like her already, and as someone who’s had to vote Hillary and Joe in the last two elections…
It’s easier for progressives to hold their nose when they have the benefit of the doubt about how bad the candidate is.
We’re fucking fighting fascism bro, her being a DA might even be a good thing if she’s actually down to fight fascists. Don’t forget before McCarthyism we had capitalists allying with communists to fight fascism.
Hell, if she pulls a “I know the system, I know it needs fixed, and I look forward to being president so it can be fixed” would guarantee she’s the next prez.
It doesn’t take much, we’rre just coming off the two worst Dem candidates in modern history, and still got a trump hangover from his term. So Kamala would have to really fuck shit up to lose.
You know it will probably be either the Harris reelection effort, or no election due to complications from Trumpitis
Harris against Trump Jr. and they will claim Harris is too old.
Damn, I just found out Kamala is almost 60…
I don’t know why I thought Biden would have picked someone young enough to be president after him.
Should have gotten one of the “kids” in their 40s.
We need to stop running elderly people, if Biden had done two and she did two after, she’d be in her 70s too
We’re stuck in this situation where we demand “experience” but the people holding the spots that count for “experience” are decades past retirement age.
Even if she would serve two terms in a row, she would still only be 67 by the time shes finished, so thats still way younger than what Trump or Biden have been during their terms.
Right.
But apparently Biden always intended to run twice, making her 71 at the end of her second term…
But 67 is still too old for lots of people. And above everything thing else the presidency is a popularity contest.
Younger candidates like Obama and Bill get more votes, which carries down ballot races, and let’s us get the House and Senate so the president can get shit done.
Almost 60 is fine. She’s still got the majority of her mental faculties that she had at her peak. Low chance of her just randomly kicking over at any given time unlike the two candidates we had in this election until yesterday.
Almost 60 is fine.
It is.
But if Biden did a second term, she’d be 64.
And 72 at the end of her two terms.
Which is why I’m saying Biden should have picked a you Obama type who’s a decade younger for VP.
Instead of someone who would be in their 70s if everything went to plan.
Gotta keep the pressure up.
Make her promise to an open and fair 2028 primary before the 2024 election.
None of this wishwashy shit where everyone close to Biden promise it’s a one turn thing, but the candidate doesn’t understand how shitty of a candidate they are.
Kamala’s gonna win because she’s not trump. Not because she’s what Dem voters want.
179 year old man mocks 182 year old man for how old he is.
Harris is the nominee now. Get a clue
Go easy on them, they haven’t been handed their talking points yet, so are contractually obligated to continue with the last set they were given.
Takes time to retrain the AI models.
Tbh, as a non-American meme-connoisseur, I kind of want Trump to win again, because, well, of the memes, and his idio(cray)cy. I mean, it would do with the world economy what my wife did to me last night, and it would hurt, and most would cry, but we would have some fun.
Tbh, as an American, fuck off. The Nazi uniforms looked nice that does not mean I want to see more made.
I get you as a fellow meme connoisseur, but under some exceptional circumstances da memes come second.
Oh… it’s mocking when Dems do it…
Why isn’t it just behavioural parity?
Are both sides not allowed to behave the same? Be equal?
Are both sides not allowed to behave the same? Be equal?
Never have been
Well the first step in changing that is expecting that… And talking as if it expected…
Are both sides not allowed to behave the same? Be equal?
No, because democratic voters at least occasionally have principles.
I get what you’re saying here, but if Dems start acting “equivalently” to Republicans we’re gonna have a real big, serious problem.
To an extent, I say it’s about time you do.
Not with policy or law breaking. Not that crazy shit.
But rhetorically. Imho it’s time for American Dems to stop playing so nice…
The evidence is all available online. If you support trump for office you want a king.
We already have a real big, serious problem.
Though I agree, dropping to their level just let’s them go lower.
Imho it does nothing.
No dropping or raising of the level from dema has affected maga discourse in the least.
They will do the exact same shit. We have had too many years to learn that lesson now.
Either smack back (rhetorically) or they will just make up something anyway.
