To everyone suggesting the racist’s statue should be kept;
Statutes are a means to honor someone. This racist is a disgrace. And his statute is a reminder that his ideology was once accepted, and admired enough to be honored.
I like the idea of putting them into a museum of their history, so we can appreciate the skill that was needed to make them but we also learn about the stain on humanity that the subjects represent
Most of them are not good examples of the fine arts. Shit, the average town would just buy one from travelling salesmen who intentionally sold mass produced statues that had easily modified insignia and could be sold on either side of the Mason-Dixon line. The one in this story was just a carved obelisk from the early 20th century, probably from a tombstone yard in northeast Georgia.
If somebody ponied up for Auguste Rodin to do a Confederate statue, then okay fine let’s squirrel it away in the corner of a museum somewhere, maybe even from a lesser light like Charles Keck, but other than that you could adequately preserve the artistic and historical value of these things, even the ones of specific enslaving assholes, with a dozen examples in a storage unit somewhere, along with a flash drive holding 3D scans of the rest, and that’s presuming you actually got all the southern municipalities to agree to take them down.
Yeah like a normal poster explaining what shitty people they were to teach. There’s no reason to glorify them with statues, the majority of which were put to by daughters of the Confederacy or whatever in the 1920s. Shitgibbons themselves.
I agree in the same way there is Nazi paraphernalia/propaganda in museums today. If we don’t teach about and denounce traitors we’ll be sure to see more. These statues were used a century later to brainwash people into advocating for terrorism.
I’m personally not a fan of any statues. We have a tendency to create hagiographies of people, not realizing until decades later that they are human.
That said, putting up statues of losers of a war just…doesn’t fucking make sense. We don’t have statues of King George or Osama Bin Laden anywhere. No one is screaming about their heritage.
Why don’t we put the Confederacy statues in something like an “American Slavery Museum”?
Its probably good to remember that these horrific ideas were once admired and honored, lest we become complacent. But putting them in the right context, i.e. next to evidence of the horrors wrought by their ideals, seems like the perfect place for them imho.
You won’t find statues of Hitler, Goering, or other Nazi figures in the Holocaust Museum. I’m well aware of what they did, and I’m sure many others are as well.
No, for the same reason Hitlers body isn’t on display for “historic” purposes. Sudate on them, yes. Otherwise they should be erased from discourse as to not become idols much like many confederate leaders are today.
To everyone suggesting the racist’s statue should be kept;
Statutes are a means to honor someone. This racist is a disgrace. And his statute is a reminder that his ideology was once accepted, and admired enough to be honored.
I like the idea of putting them into a museum of their history, so we can appreciate the skill that was needed to make them but we also learn about the stain on humanity that the subjects represent
Most of them are not good examples of the fine arts. Shit, the average town would just buy one from travelling salesmen who intentionally sold mass produced statues that had easily modified insignia and could be sold on either side of the Mason-Dixon line. The one in this story was just a carved obelisk from the early 20th century, probably from a tombstone yard in northeast Georgia.
If somebody ponied up for Auguste Rodin to do a Confederate statue, then okay fine let’s squirrel it away in the corner of a museum somewhere, maybe even from a lesser light like Charles Keck, but other than that you could adequately preserve the artistic and historical value of these things, even the ones of specific enslaving assholes, with a dozen examples in a storage unit somewhere, along with a flash drive holding 3D scans of the rest, and that’s presuming you actually got all the southern municipalities to agree to take them down.
why make them agree?
remind them of an actual civil war hero, and just take them down, killing any CSA fuckers who get in your way?
There’s plenty other examples of skill to use that doesn’t have a subject of traitors….this can get melted, or otherwise destroyed.
Yeah like a normal poster explaining what shitty people they were to teach. There’s no reason to glorify them with statues, the majority of which were put to by daughters of the Confederacy or whatever in the 1920s. Shitgibbons themselves.
if we need the materials for anything, or it gets too expensive to keep in a box, sure. lets not give this scrap priority over other scrap.
No.
I agree in the same way there is Nazi paraphernalia/propaganda in museums today. If we don’t teach about and denounce traitors we’ll be sure to see more. These statues were used a century later to brainwash people into advocating for terrorism.
I’m personally not a fan of any statues. We have a tendency to create hagiographies of people, not realizing until decades later that they are human.
That said, putting up statues of losers of a war just…doesn’t fucking make sense. We don’t have statues of King George or Osama Bin Laden anywhere. No one is screaming about their heritage.
Well said.
Um… new word.
Your last sentence gave me an idea.
Why don’t we put the Confederacy statues in something like an “American Slavery Museum”?
Its probably good to remember that these horrific ideas were once admired and honored, lest we become complacent. But putting them in the right context, i.e. next to evidence of the horrors wrought by their ideals, seems like the perfect place for them imho.
Edit: well, not every idea I have is a winner.
You won’t find statues of Hitler, Goering, or other Nazi figures in the Holocaust Museum. I’m well aware of what they did, and I’m sure many others are as well.
No, for the same reason Hitlers body isn’t on display for “historic” purposes. Sudate on them, yes. Otherwise they should be erased from discourse as to not become idols much like many confederate leaders are today.
No. Just…. No.
also, date each statue was comissioned constructed and finished.
and a reminder of the names of every piece of shit who voted for it. addresses, for the ones who are still alive.