• xenomor@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    Some in this thread think that ‘chaos’ would emerge if the party replaced Biden and that would hurt the party’s chance of defeating trump. You are correct that there would be a media frenzy, and weeks of exhaustive, drama chasing coverage. It would absolutely dominate the media narrative, and be pounded into the entire voting population’s psyche. You know what else? That would be a wonderful, wonderful thing. It would totally disarm trump’s ability to drive the media narrative for much of the rest of the election. Whatever deficit that exists of national awareness for the new candidate would be erased very quickly. That candidate would be gifted months of desperate, free, media coverage. It’s actually a great strategy. That being the case, I’m sure the DNC and the party elders will never attempt something so obviously effective since they are terrible at politics and their cowardly approaches to both campaigns and governing are ultimately the reason our democracy is in such an existential crisis to begin with.

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      The thing that makes folks pull their hair out is that we’ve known Biden has been sundowning for years. But in the run up to the 2024 primaries, we got this endless bullshit gaslighting of “Actually I think he’s at the top of his game, never better!” articles coming out of the Dem establishment and Dem-friendly media.

      So he ran virtually uncontested. And then he spent three months doing photo-ops with Dark Brandon laser eyes, trying to get people pumped up for November. And then he explicitly demanded a debate with Trump before the conventions were even held. And then this shit happened.

      Now there’s no normal democratic mechanism to pick a replacement candidate. So we’re either stuck with Biden or we get some smoke-filled room full of superdelegates and mega-donors to make the decision. And that’s what will fuck up the Dems’ chances in November. You’re talking about putting a guy on the ballot who never even went through the primary. Someone whose sole qualification was Biggest Insider Suck-Up. Someone who will have to square off against a legitimately popular candidate in a year when “Democracy is on the line!” is a thing the Democrats are asserting.

      It’s actually a great strategy.

      Its a fucked strategy, because the easiest line of attack on this new person is “Who the fuck is this asshole and why didn’t they compete in a primary back in January?”

      I’m sure the DNC and the party elders will never attempt something so obviously effective since they are terrible at politics

      Holding a coronation rather than a primary was the DNC’s big mistake. Now its too late. There are no savvy brilliant moves left to play. You’re stuck with this lame duck through November.

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    For one, Biden would have to willingly give up the nomination in order to release delegates already pledged to him.

    Factually not true…

    The DNC can rewrite the rules before the convention and nominate anyone they want.

    As their lawyers have told judges, they’re a private organization that can name anyone as the candidate. That was their defense for accusations that they already rig primaries.

    A second problem is the public doesn’t know any other Democrat nearly as well as they know Biden, and it would be difficult to introduce someone to the public at this late date without them being defined by Donald Trump, the Republicans and Fox News in the worst possible ways.

    Literally anyone that becomes the Dem nominee will have nationwide name recognition in 24 hours.

    The most common reason for voting Biden is “to stop trump” so any replacement shares the most important quality Dem voters want that Biden actually meets.

    Like, sure, this would have been so much easier if we had an actual primary and the people closest to Biden hadn’t spent four years hiding him and lying about his mental capabilities. But they didn’t. They kept repeating it was too late for anyone except Biden.

    They’re still saying it, but it’s still not true.

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      Good points. However, I would argue that the DNC would absolutely fuck up picking a new nominee. They would pick some “centrist” unlikeable democrat that would try to appeal to a moderate middle that just doesn’t exist. They would run a flaccid campaign and manage to piss off everybody trying to appeal to everybody. Republicans would absolutely capitalize on the chaos.

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        Right

        Biden appointed Jamie Harrison, it’s very very unlikely that Jamie Harrison nominates anyone else. And if he does, it will be another moderate that names Jamie Harrison head of the DNC again.

        Because the people running the DNC care more about personal political power than stopping trump.

        Just like the problem with republicans isn’t just trump, it’s the people behind the scenes that also need addressed.

        The problem with the DNC isn’t just Biden, it’s the people Biden put in charge of the DNC.

        The party can’t survive without the voters, we’re the important part.

        If the DNC refuses to acknowledge that, it won’t be the first time voters left a party behind to die without them.

        At a certain point the corruption is bad enough we need to start over. It won’t be easy, but at a certain point it’s the only option.

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      The DNC can rewrite the rules before the convention and nominate anyone they want.

      The DNC is an organization stacked with Joe Biden loyalists. And that’s before discussing the fucked vibes of an 11th hour rules rewrite on the eve of what was supposed to be a lay-up nomination. Weeks of people arguing over who gets handed the Prez nod without a single primary vote cast in their name would be an absolute disaster.

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      Yes, the DNC can change the rules whenever they want. But when your party is supposed to be putting a priority on Protecting Democracy, it’s a bad look to then say “Yeah, we held a bunch of uncontested elections which we are now ignoring the result of”.

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        You’re missing the context…

        They’ve been saying they don’t need to abide by the will of the voters because they’re a private party.

        And they’re right

        So when they say they can’t use their power to give voters want they want because they’re impartial…

        It’s obviously bullshit.

        They’re going to do what they want